Boat Buying

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  • 24 Oct 2018 19:50
    Reply # 6871951 on 6860958
    Brett Sadgrove wrote:

    OMG David, your building a boat! Cool. I have not been on here for a really long time, so catching up on news


    Yes, silly me. I might start a thread soon because I now have something for people to look at, being a very definite boat-like sculpture.
    Last modified: 24 Oct 2018 19:50 | Anonymous member
  • 23 Oct 2018 00:01
    Reply # 6860958 on 6677743
    Anonymous wrote:

    It seems hard to find just the right boat. As a family we have very much enjoyed our 10 meter 'Footprints'. It has given us numerous coastal holidays and even taken us off-shore. In many ways it is the perfect boat for us as a family. But as I get older and look at reducing costs in the future, and maintenance effort I feel she is bigger than I really want going into the future. 'Footprints' will be sold in the next year or so and I have begun construction of her replacement, an Eco 6 catamaran designed by Bernd Kohler. I had been looking for small boat replacement for quite a while until I stumbled on this design while cruising the internet. It seems to meet most of my requirements for a smaller cruising yacht. I had also been inspired by the book 'Travels with Miss Cindy' which recounts the tale of what is quite a marathon cruise in a 4 meter catamaran. I would have ideally liked a catamaran just a little bit longer, say 7 meters, but this design is the widest catamaran which once completed I can get down my very very long tree flanked driveway.

    Although it is quite a lot of effort to build the new little boat, I will be looking forward to a few years of low cost sailing with minimal maintenance and insurance cost. It is good to remember that the bigger and more complex a boat, the higher the costs of ownership. A boat that can be put on a trailer and taken home for maintenance has a lot going for it.

    So, looking from where I am right now, the question should probably not be 'what is the biggest boat I can afford?', but rather 'What is the smallest boat that will suit my needs?' 

    For someone who wants to live on-board and do some serious cruising Annie Hills Siblim design seems like a very good way to go. But as Annie has found, to get the right boat of this size she has had to build it herself.


    OMG David, your building a boat! Cool. I have not been on here for a really long time, so catching up on news

    If you ever need a hand in doing something, let me know. I’m still in Orewa so close by.

    My dreams of going big fell through and now just sail a dinghy out of Manly Sailing Club, with my boy. Who started last year with Russell Coutts Sailing Academy. 


  • 22 Oct 2018 19:24
    Reply # 6857362 on 6853339
    Scott Yellig wrote:

    I hope to never go anywhere near this far again towing with the van. I also hope I can do something to put a little less weight on the tongue.

    David Tyler -- When I bought this boat I made a deal with myself. I am buying this time but if and when I ever feel the need to have something different in the future I will be building a new boat. I will be keeping an eye on your 7m Siblim development.

    I am starting to draw some sail plans. I expect to start a new thread about a S2 6.7 junk rig conversion soon!

    Thanks again to everyone. 

    Scott.

    Congratulations on your boat purchase. At least you get to go sailing now, and you can get involved in the project of the rig conversion. And it looks like your new vessel should have good sailing performance. Re weight on the tongue when towing - it is often possible to move the position of the axle back or forth on the trailer to adjust the balance point of the load, so this may be a solution depending on how the axle assembly is connected to the trailer. Towing weight on the tongue should normally be fairly minimal. But if you are only going to be towing the boat short distances from now on it may not be a problem going forward.
    Last modified: 22 Oct 2018 19:56 | Anonymous member
  • 22 Oct 2018 14:33
    Reply # 6853339 on 6677159

    Thank you all for your advice and opinions.

    More or less everyone told me not to try moving a ~2000 lbs boat with our minivan. The exception was one person on the Com-Pac 19 forums. I decided to listen to the one person.

    The excellent local mechanic was able to put a transmission cooler on the van with only a few days notice. After that I headed 180 miles south to pick up my new-to-me S2 6.7 Grand Slam. The sales brochure claims the boat weighs 2200 lbs.

    The weather forecast was calling for rain and winds building to 20mph around mid-day. In the photo I attached you can see the rear end of the van was loaded down significantly more that it probably should be but it was not bottomed out completely.

    On the way back home the trees were moving and bending in a way that looked like at least 20mph to me. The wind started out as a cross wind and shifted to be almost a direct headwind about half way home. I could feel the wind pushing on the van and the boat, but moving along at 55mph I never had any doubt that I was in control.

    I love this Traid trailer and the disc brakes. I can see now why the quote I got from Traid a few years ago was such an eye popper. They make a very nice boat trailer. Stopping with the surge brakes was very comfortable. I never had to stomp on the gas to get the rig going.

    When I got back home a friend of mine told me that the 20mph forecast winds actually turned out to be 50mph and the stuff that I thought was heavy rain was actually hail.

    I hope to never go anywhere near this far again towing with the van. I also hope I can do something to put a little less weight on the tongue.

    David Tyler -- When I bought this boat I made a deal with myself. I am buying this time but if and when I ever feel the need to have something different in the future I will be building a new boat. I will be keeping an eye on your 7m Siblim development.

    I am starting to draw some sail plans. I expect to start a new thread about a S2 6.7 junk rig conversion soon!

    Thanks again to everyone. 

    Scott.

    Last modified: 22 Oct 2018 14:34 | Anonymous member
  • 01 Oct 2018 04:34
    Reply # 6700174 on 6699084
    Scott Yellig wrote:

    Thanks, David.

    How is the Eco 6 build going? Do you have a thread here on about it?

    Scott

    No, I don't have a thread going, didn't think it was exciting enough! Although maybe I should do and then all our talented junk rig designers can put their heads together and come up with a workable rig for the boat.

    Like any boatbuilding project it is not coming on fast enough, mostly through not being able to get enough time on it. When I do get a chance to do boat work it progresses quickly. I think the scale of the project is about right, a big enough boat to do some real coastal sailing in, but not too big that it is going to take years to build. My current goal, (Plan A!), is to get all the stringers on both hulls this month, and then maybe the plywood on by Christmas. But along with all that I need to go to work 4 days each week, do a week long haulout on Footprints in November, and make her a new sail cover, look after our 23 acre property, cut down and chop up at least two gum trees for next winters firewood, look after my marriage, spend time with my daughter, and have some fun every now and then. Some thing has got to go, I think I need to stop going to work! 

    Last modified: 01 Oct 2018 04:48 | Anonymous member
  • 30 Sep 2018 08:42
    Reply # 6699084 on 6677159

    Thanks, David.

    How is the Eco 6 build going? Do you have a thread here on about it?

    Scott

  • 30 Sep 2018 05:53
    Reply # 6698991 on 6698712
    Scott wrote:

    About 6 hours later I get a text message saying he 'decided to back out of the deal' and that he wants to keep the boat local.

    It is hard to keep a positive attitude after this.

    Scott.

    You have got to wonder about some people, maybe he didn't really want to sell the boat. Still, keep a positive attitude. In the words of the American Marines when things go belly up - Adapt, & Overcome. Sometimes Plan A doesn't work out, in which case you go on to Plan B. Plan B may not be immediately obvious but something will turn up, and sometimes it is better than Plan A.
    Last modified: 30 Sep 2018 06:03 | Anonymous member
  • 29 Sep 2018 23:50
    Reply # 6698712 on 6677159

    Today I called about a boat about 200 miles away. Not right here in town but still possible to go there and trailer back in a day.

    I made an offer. We agreed on a price. I agreed to meet him on a specific day in the coming week.  He also agreed to email me confirming the deal. I got a text message saying that he will email me confirming the agreement. I was very happy. 

    About 6 hours later I get a text message saying he 'decided to back out of the deal' and that he wants to keep the boat local.

    It is hard to keep a positive attitude after this.

    Scott.

    Last modified: 29 Sep 2018 23:51 | Anonymous member
  • 26 Sep 2018 04:34
    Reply # 6693141 on 6677159

    Tscott,

    The dry boat weight is listed at 2000. Someone on the cp site guesses that the 19/3 may weigh up to a couple of hundred lbs more. I’d guess my 19 is maybe 3000 lbs. with trailer, outboard etc. Gear weight can sneak up on you. I don’ know the tongue weights. Hutchins in Florida is still in business making compacs. They are said to be very helpful and answer questions by phone. They could give more accurate information and maybe advise on vehicle specs.

    When I launch and retrieve my wheels are in the water up to the rims even with the trailer extension. Others report launching ok without an extension. My ramp may have a lower slope. The hitch on the truck is out of the water. Pretty sure the trailer coupling is also out.

    I tMost of these trailers have no brakes.  Going any distance the match between your vehicle’s weight and sufficient brakes and the trailer weight becomes important.  Back in school I helped a graduating student move with an econoline van. The Uhual trailer held a lot of weight in books alone. On a long down hill it started pushing the rear of the van to the side. It took weaving over 3 lanes before getting control. That said, a haul at slower speeds and a short distance is different. You may want to Give Hutchins a call 

    http://www.com-pacyachts.com/

  • 26 Sep 2018 00:51
    Reply # 6692869 on 6677159

    Hi Phil,

    Thanks for getting back to me. The support and interest on this site is amazing.

    I should have asked some more specific questions. If you are able to answer it would be helpful.

    What is the total trailer weight with the boat on it?

    What is the tongue weight with the boat on the trailer?

    What is the tongue weight with the boat on the trailer and the 8' extension attached?

    How far into the water do you need to put the trailer to get the boat floating at the ramp that you use most? Does the coupler on the trailer need to be under water?

    I should have said this before. I have a class III hitch with a 2" ball on the drawbar. I also have a 4 flat wiring harness ready to go. I have been using this setup and a jet ski trailer to get my puddle duck to the lake. The steering and tranny coolers are the things I do not have ready to go.

    Thank you for starting the thread on the other site.

    Scott

    Last modified: 26 Sep 2018 00:54 | Anonymous member
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