Galley stove/ovens

  • 16 Jul 2023 15:19
    Reply # 13228439 on 13226912
    Anonymous wrote:

    Tony,

    just a dumb question:
    How would it be to  turn that stove 90° to the left or right, so that the control knob points forward or aft? In that  case the ‘water level’ in the tank would not vary so much in case the boat rolls or heels a little.

    Arne


    Yes Arne, I've no doubt that would be a good idea!
  • 15 Jul 2023 16:09
    Reply # 13228246 on 13228182
    Anonymous wrote:

    I really like my athwartships cooker.  Admittedly, I'm such a harbour hugger these days it rarely gets used underway, but when I was a Real Sailor, I much preferred one to a fore and aft installation.

    One tends to cook more at anchor in any case but more so when solo sailing and not ocean crossing. My wife has yet to unlock the stove so it can gimbal...

    Our first boat to have a cooker at all, had an athwartships cooker... I suppose. The galley was so cramped they had turned the cooker 90 degrees to the cooking position so it had a front and a rear burner instead of left and right. It has a lid that swings up left to right so when cooking one's right arm is not very useful but I guess it acts as a good heat shield for the rear wall (or it did until I moved the whole galley forward to make room for a quarter berth). I probably could have removed the lid but we used it a lot as extra counter space because the dinette table was also very small. In the end we mostly cooked outside on a campstove on the transom. I guess my point is that one can mount a stove athwartships even if using it in a fore and aft galley.

  • 15 Jul 2023 05:31
    Reply # 13228182 on 1195343

    FWIW

    I really like my athwartships cooker.  Admittedly, I'm such a harbour hugger these days it rarely gets used underway, but when I was a Real Sailor, I much preferred one to a fore and aft installation.  This would solve the issue of vents (as Arne pointed out).

    I used a little wick, as provided by Tilley lamps. to light my Taylors cooker.  I 'never' had a flare up.  I still rather miss having a paraffin/kero stove, but the cost of spares makes it too expensive for me to run. unless I decide to claim a pension!

    I am now very fond of my Origo stove (and made some bread a couple of hours ago).  I do like the fact that I can turn it on and off as I want to and not have it on all the time while cooking (eg I can turn it off while the pressure cooker depressurises).  I've come to the conclusion that, for me, the perfect ratio is about 10% water to meths.  The pans still get slightly discoloured, but not sooty, while things cook noticeably faster.  I don't have the plastic lids, but of course I light the stove several times a day.  Once it's been going for a while, it becomes hotter, so I heat the water for my morning pot of tea in two batches.  By the time I've stood in the pramhood, contemptated the day and eaten my mandarin and banana, enough has been boiled for 2 cups of tea (I have 4 or 5 most mornings!). I cook a lot, so I get through about 1/2 litre a day.  However, I never think twice about lighting it: it may be expensive to cook, but one meal in the local boating club would buy me 4 litres of meths.  The worst thing is that these days you have to buy it ready packaged, so I have all these perfectly good plastic containers to get rid of.

  • 12 Jul 2023 18:21
    Reply # 13226912 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Tony,

    just a dumb question:
    How would it be to  turn that stove 90° to the left or right, so that the control knob points forward or aft? In that  case the ‘water level’ in the tank would not vary so much in case the boat rolls or heels a little.

    Arne


    Last modified: 12 Jul 2023 18:24 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 12 Jul 2023 08:34
    Reply # 13226695 on 13225231
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    After watching your YT demo, it looks like these are even worse than the old pump up alcohol stoves. The old ones at least contained the burning "preheat" pool with the the whole cooker bottom being sealed. They could be started on an angle. Someone said the tank is vented too which sounds like a drip source as well. At this point, I think I would go for propane over either of them.



    Yes, I agree, Len. As I said in the vid, I am not impressed: It is also far too slow to bring anything much to the boil. Oh well!

    Well, it turns out I may have maligned that little stove. On my second test, it performed much better, bringing about 750ml water to boil in about 8 mins. I still haven't performed testing with the scientific rigour Arne suggests, but will do when I get a chance to breathe.

    I think the first test ran poorly because I didn't give it enough time for the wick that transports the fuel from tank to burner to get saturated properly.

    The issues remain in terms of the stove being suitable for boat use, but I do feel improvements could be made. The vent (which is obviously necessary) in the tank lid could be extended upwards by drilling it out and soldering a piece of copper pipe or somesuch in it. The biggest issue, as I see it, is the prewarm tray, which is too shallow for safe use on a boat. This could be adapted or refabricated to improve it.

  • 11 Jul 2023 18:12
    Reply # 13226431 on 13226193
    Anonymous wrote:

    I find now as I get older there in not only an increasing difference between UK English and USA English but also between youth UK English and old man English. So if we started up glossaries we would never know where to stop.

    Yeah, you are probably right. I guess it was easier when all cooking and heating (and other things) were done with wood. However, the link I gave was enough for me to figure things out. No need for another glossary or whatever.

    Rigging is a whole other thing. We have just made it past port and starboard into foresail and mainsail. Sheets have been mentioned. Nods of acceptance were given in return... maybe we'll get through.

    Len

  • 11 Jul 2023 06:20
    Reply # 13226193 on 1195343

    I find now as I get older there in not only an increasing difference between UK English and USA English but also between youth UK English and old man English. So if we started up glossaries we would never know where to stop. 

    Of course of particular interest to all of us here is to explain the yachting and sailing terms we use to to those innocents who come and sail with us for the first time ! Ie why do we call those rope ‘sheets’ when it is perfectly obvious to the novice that those big white things must be the sheets! 



  • 10 Jul 2023 17:14
    Reply # 13225882 on 13225663
    Anonymous wrote:

    On a previous boat we inherited a Taylor paraffin stove with two top burners and an oven. As a non gas cooker it was a brilliant performer and was plenty hot enough to tackle all tasks. It was however quite an exciting challenge to light successfully without clouds of dirty black smoke and dirt which followed an unsuccessful ignition.

    Now there's an idea for a new glossary... A list of what various fuels are called around the world:

    Actually, I found one: https://internationalfuelnames.org/

    Paraffin: ? seems to be kerosene. Which seems to repackaged "Jet-A" at least in some places. (slightly less refined than RP1)

    They do not mention "Gas" which I assume is propane, not methane (which is used at home), but might be butane? Very much "gas" is only used for petrol in a few places and that is not for cooking. It seems that propane appliances will run on butane but need conversion to run on methane. So maybe "gas" is used to mean "propane or butane".

    I have to say however I loved and miss the comforting roar of the Taylor on those cold and invariably wet days and nights when we used to sail on the S.Coast of England CI’s and N France

    The sound of a pressure stove (or lantern), alcohol, white gas or kerosene, reminds me of camping. I like the idea I can tell the stove is running just by sound.

  • 10 Jul 2023 05:59
    Reply # 13225663 on 1195343

    On my current boat which is principally an open day boat with tent for occasional nights I use the single burner Origo stove which is fine for making a breakfast coffee using the  old fashioned aluminium espresso pot. It is safe, easy and reliable. It is however no solution to making a meal or baking bread.

    On a previous boat we inherited a Taylor paraffin stove with two top burners and an oven. As a non gas cooker it was a brilliant performer and was plenty hot enough to tackle all tasks. It was however quite an exciting challenge to light successfully without clouds of dirty black smoke and dirt which followed an unsuccessful ignition.

    We found in the end that the best solution was to have handy a small gas paint burner with disposable canister. Use this instead of the spirit in the dish, get the burner really hot and turn on the paraffin.

    in subsequent years on other boats we have used the standard gas with the normal precautions of self draining lockers and cut off valves near the stove. Never had any accidents.

    I have to say however I loved and miss the comforting roar of the Taylor on those cold and invariably wet days and nights when we used to sail on the S.Coast of England CI’s and N France

  • 09 Jul 2023 10:49
    Reply # 13225459 on 1195343

    I've got a Swedish Trangia backpacker's alcohol burning cook set aboard my 1 ton Coromandel.  Like all alcohol burners, it is slow to boil water, but it's been perfectly adequate for simple camp cookery, both inland and at sea, during life aboard since mid - May. 

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