modifying a Sangria to junkrig

  • 25 Jul 2025 19:35
    Reply # 13524834 on 13487971

    Hi Jacques,

    I might be a bit late to the party, but: From what I learned with the junk rig on Ilvy, you can't carry too much canvas - because reefing is so ridicoulusly easy and fast! 

     You and me, we sail about the same boat, a Sangria 25 and a Maxi 77, with pretty similar characteristics, and aSA/Disp ratio bermudan rigged. Right now Ilvy carries 35 sqm, but if I would rig her again, I would go for 40 sqm. 

    Seeing you sailplan at only 30 sqm, I feel urged to share my experiences with you and maybe make you rethink. 30 sqm basically is Ilvy with one reef, and sailing upwind undercanvased in lighter winds is no fun, really. 

    It is not that much more work to sew 35 instead of 30 sqm, but the difference out at sea will be huge!

    Best, Paul

    Last modified: 25 Jul 2025 21:26 | Anonymous member
  • 25 Jul 2025 17:55
    Reply # 13524804 on 13524358
    Anonymous wrote:

    Here, to get you started are Sheet 1 and 2 of the sailplan. If you read Chapter 4 of TCPJR, you will find how to draw Sheet 3 and 4 to let jy make camber in the sail, and let you decide the position of the batten pockets.
    Good luck.
    Arne

    (Full size diagrams on Arne's sketches, Section 8)

    Thank you so much

    I keep you informed 

    Jacques 

  • 24 Jul 2025 15:13
    Reply # 13524358 on 13487971
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Here, to get you started are Sheet 1 and 2 of the sailplan. If you read Chapter 4 of TCPJR, you will find how to draw Sheet 3 and 4 to let you make camber in the sail, and let you decide the position of the batten pockets.
    Good luck.
    Arne

    (Full size diagrams on Arne's sketches, Section 8)

    Last modified: 25 Jul 2025 21:31 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 24 Jul 2025 10:04
    Reply # 13524282 on 13524280
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Arne,

    What do you think about draft 2 ( enclosed) ?

    With my wife, we are going to sew the sail  ( with your practical guide: chapter 5 ).

    Have a good day

    Jacques 

    Jacques
    I don't understand this.
    The drawing appears to be the one I drew up for you, but the dimensions you have shown are much different (smaller).

    How come?

    Arne

    Yes, it's your drawing.

    For dimensions , I wasn't sure . 

    What do you advice me ? 


    Jacques 

  • 24 Jul 2025 09:31
    Reply # 13524280 on 13524269
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Anonymous wrote:

    Arne,

    What do you think about draft 2 ( enclosed) ?

    With my wife, we are going to sew the sail  ( with your practical guide: chapter 5 ).

    Have a good day

    Jacques 

    Jacques
    I don't understand this.
    The drawing appears to be the one I drew up for you, but the dimensions you have shown are much different (smaller).

    How come?

    Arne

  • 24 Jul 2025 08:16
    Reply # 13524270 on 13519860
    Anonymous wrote:Bonsoir Jacques,

    What do you advice me for sail fabric ? 

    It depends on what kind of sailing you are going to do. As a standard sail fabric I would recommend "Swela Outgard 393", which is a 190 g/m² polyester fabric that looks good on both sides. I use it, and it is pretty tough. Havn't tried (yet), but I would estimate this fabric could easily carry you above the pond and back again. If, however, you plan to sail for extended times in stormy conditions, only then I would opt for something heavier - at least in the upper panels.

    Could you please sent me your sailplan ? I am working on my sailplan.

    My current sailplan on Ilvy is the same as on Boudicca of Ketil Greve, it is a Johanna 60 design from Arne. You can find it in his very comprehensive TCPJR texts.


    Cheers,

    Paul


    Many thanks for advice

    Jacques 

  • 24 Jul 2025 08:10
    Reply # 13524269 on 13487971

    Arne,

    What do you think about draft 2 ( enclosed) ?

    With my wife, we are going to sew the sail  ( with your practical guide: chapter 5 ).

    Have a good day

    Jacques 

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  • 11 Jul 2025 18:21
    Reply # 13519860 on 13519831
    Bonsoir Jacques,

    What do you advice me for sail fabric ? 

    It depends on what kind of sailing you are going to do. As a standard sail fabric I would recommend "Swela Outgard 393", which is a 190 g/m² polyester fabric that looks good on both sides. I use it, and it is pretty tough. Havn't tried (yet), but I would estimate this fabric could easily carry you above the pond and back again. If, however, you plan to sail for extended times in stormy conditions, only then I would opt for something heavier - at least in the upper panels.

    Could you please sent me your sailplan ? I am working on my sailplan.

    My current sailplan on Ilvy is the same as on Boudicca of Ketil Greve, it is a Johanna 60 design from Arne. You can find it in his very comprehensive TCPJR texts.


    Cheers,

    Paul


  • 11 Jul 2025 17:14
    Reply # 13519831 on 13518900
    Anonymous wrote:

    Jacques, if I can help you with any specific advice, please let me know!

    Arne's writings are excellent, but the own project always deviates a bit, which might be worth discussing ;-)

    Best

    Paul

    Paul,

    Yes, I need advice.

    What do you advice me for sail fabric ? 

    Could you please sent me your sailplan ? I am working on my sailplan.

    Thanks

    Jacques




  • 11 Jul 2025 16:46
    Reply # 13519811 on 13519695
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    Bonsoir Jacques

    The mast step should be made of plywood and epoxy to spred the load of the pylonning mast (shoppy sea) to the hull. 

    The tube is more an alternative or a complement to the reinforcement at deck level.

    The tube goes from the mast step to the deck and above; as it is on a Laser. It is an elegant way to build a stuck. It prevent any water ingress at deck level. It uses the two plywood vertical reinforcements under the forward berth to spred the efforts. 

    Of course, a water drain should be available at the mast step. 

    I agree that there is a risk of corosion but normally the aluminium tube should not be in contact with water and even less with salty water. This tube should be in a dry zone protected by the waterproff mast colar, at the stuck level. Of course a drain should be installed at the bottom of the tube to let any water or condensation out.

    As both tubes, the mast and the partner are in aluminium, the risk of electrolysis should be minimal.

    Eric

    PS : My knowledge is academic and ingeneering! I don't have any experience hands on in this domain !

    Hi, I have recently made a mast partner for an aluminium mast, which is an aluminium tube as you describe here.  I did have concerns about corrosion between the mast and the tube and used something called anti seize assembly paste, essentially some sort of grease, to decrease the risk.  Seawater always seems to find a way in! I do have a drain hole in the plywood base of the mast step which drains into the bilge. 

    Jes,

    Top !

    Do you have photos ? 

    Jacques

    Jacques

    Here you go...Hope these make sense! In my case the mast I had bought (a tapered aluminium street pole) wasn't quite long enough so the mast base rests on a bolt about half way down my mast tube/partners to add about 80cm overall with 12% overlap

    Jes

    Thanks for photos . It's perfectly clear