Freedom 40 (again)

  • 24 Dec 2025 12:09
    Reply # 13575808 on 13574904

    Thanks for that insight Slieve. Ironically I have a PPL and have done a lot of sailing, having been a charter skipper for decades before retiring. I understand about reefing and the extra drag caused by, particularly, flaps. But I must admit I’d forgotten that slats are primarily to delay the stall which, I presume, allows a higher angle of attack and therefore an increase in induced drag 

    All good stuff but presumably means the larger balance area is essential for the Split Junk Rig to perform as intended. 

    Which means a larger main than foresail to bring the C of E somewhere nearer to the original. 

    Cheers, Roger

  • 22 Dec 2025 20:15
    Reply # 13575455 on 13574904

    Hi Roger,

    It’s easy to get more lift from a sail. You just make it bigger. But what happens when the wind increases? We have to reef and make it smaller. It is not the lift that is important in a rig (or a wing), but it is the lift/ drag (L/D) ratio. Leading edge slats help delay the stall, but at the price of higher drag and therefore lower L/D or efficiency. Slats, drooped leading edges, flaps and Gurney flaps all are useful at slower airspeeds which you would think are what is needed in a sailing rig, particularly in light wind conditions, but the overall efficiency of the rig is lower and does not help the windward performance.

    Take the real life condition of an aeroplane overshoot from an approach. The first action is to increase power, but rather than raise the undercarriage to reduce drag, the second action is to reduce the amount of flap in use. This will decrease the lift a little, but it will decrease the drag a lot and make the wing more efficient with a higher L/D ratio.

    The slats are useful on an aeroplane where, if it flies too slowly it can stall, and people get hurt when that happens close to the ground. It does not matter if the rig on a boat stalls as it will just slow down and only the helmsman’s ego will be hurt.

    The spats are generally set to open automatically as on the de Havilland Tiger Moth, or even the Boeing 737 200, but they are automatically retracted during normal flight. We don’t want such complication on a boat rig.

    Cheers, Slieve.

  • 21 Dec 2025 19:33
    Reply # 13575096 on 13574904

    I get the 30% thing - makes sense. However, aircraft wings which have leading-edge slat or slots don't have anywhere near this.


    I had been seeing the jiblets as simply slats or slots to guide the airflow over the mainpart of the sail - but I'm beginning to see that they act as sails in their own right..


    Still can't help wondering about some sort of high-aspect jiblet with maybe 10-15% balance as a kind-of leading edge slat though... thoughts anyone?

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  • 21 Dec 2025 17:24
    Reply # 13575065 on 13574904

    Thanks Slieve

  • 21 Dec 2025 11:40
    Reply # 13574994 on 13574904

    Hi Roger,

    Reduced sheet loads and taming of the gybe are a by-product of the extra balance of the SJR, and certainly not the main reason.

    If you read the early article ‘Some Thoughts’ you will see that the ‘extra balance’ is used to produce as much lift from the forward area of the airfoil and obtain the best L/D ratio and overall efficiency. It was only after I had taken the gamble on my theory by modifying Poppy that I met Roger Stollery, one of the major players in the field of model yachting development to discover that he had run a series of controlled tests to find the maximum safe balance of a swing rig. Where I was aware that 24-25% balance was the limit with a symmetrical foil (NACA 00 series) I did not know the limits for a foil which changed camber when tacking. Roger’s tests proved that a rig would be safely stable with 1/3 of the area ahead of the mast and 2/3 behind, and which I have further modified to say that with the profile I use for a junk rig that 35% balance from jib luff to main leech is a safe limit, and which has been proven on the second rig built.

    Paul Gardham modified a Freedom 33 to two SJRs successfully and only modified the masts to vertical rather than swept aft. He played with the sail areas to achieve the same rig CoA and is very pleased with the results.

    Cheers, Slieve.




  • 20 Dec 2025 23:29
    Message # 13574904

    Hi All,


    I'm in the process of negotiating over a Freedom 40 Centre Cockpit. The sails are shot and it seems and ideal moment to convert to Junk rig. I am currently reading through the various threads on this.

    However, one thing I want to look at is the possibility of a split junk rig, at least on the foresail if not both. The issue here being sail balance - with over 30% balance a split rig will presumably bring the centre of effort well forward.


    So, two possibilities spring immediately to mind (there may be others which might turn up here!):


    1) have a larger Main than Foresail. The Freedom masts are plenty long and I've seen suggestions that they be kept long. With the yard not going to the top of the mast, a kind-of permanent parrel for the halyard is suggested some way from the top to reduce side loads on the top of the mast. Makes sense.

    But this implies there is enough space at the top of the mast to have a taller (and possibly wider) main. So, one way perhaps to bring the CofE aft again.

    2) The other way could be to reduce the amount of balance to something more like the HM sail and have smaller, high aspect ratio jiblets.

    Slieve McGalliard mentions in his article about split junk rig that one of the main reasons for the extra balance is to reduce sheet loads and tame the gybe somewhat. I get this but wonder if there's something else I'm missing, which might make a reduced balance area unsuitable for split junk rig?


    Many thanks in advance for any forthcoming help!

    Cheers,

    Roger.