Windward Ability in Very Strong Winds

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  • 31 Jul 2026 21:57
    Reply # 13660227 on 1400344
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Another method is to use a single sheet of the Johanna style, as described in the updated Junk Rig for Beginners. This has good anti-twist. If you combine it with the topping lift type of lazyjacks, the lee topping lift will support the yard when you are down on three panels, and the twist will be just right. I sailed my tippy Frøken Sørensen many times to windward with only three panels set, and it worked just fine.

    Arne

    PS:
    Remember, when sailing close-hauled in strong winds, one may ease the sheet a little and still point well, since the apparent wind and true wind direction are closer to each others.


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    Last modified: 31 Jul 2026 22:23 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 31 Jul 2026 21:25
    Reply # 13660206 on 13659286
    Anonymous wrote:

    2) go to a 2 part sheeting system

    -  is the answer, for sure. Just set it up so that both tails can be pulled together, in light breezes. The Easymatic lower block 

    https://seamarknunn.com/products/easy-marine-easymatic-1-lower-block-4-1-2-1-with-cross-block-double-servo-cleat-93101?_pos=4&_psq=easymatic+1&_psid=080203f4b&_ss=e

    does this very well, but has got ridiculously expensive now, so some alternative has to be found.

    Thanks, I'll look into this. That block is £250!!  I can probably use 2 separate blocks side by side
  • 31 Jul 2026 21:22
    Reply # 13660201 on 13659296
    Anonymous wrote:

    Hi Jes, Perhaps you have met the limit of what a 21ft trailer sailer is capable of doing in open water.  You've already hit upon the solution to poor heavily reefed windward performance - do what you can to eliminate twist - perhaps rig reefing pendants to bring the battens together at the leech. I'd lead the tails aft instead of needing to leave the cockpit to tie them.

    My own experience in the split junk rigged Coromandel Emmelène showed that if I wanted to make ground to windward in rough water, the thing to do was to bear away. A close reach, a fetch, will lift you slowly to windward, making less leeway and throwing less spray aft.


    That's a good point, 'A man's got to know his limitations' as the man said!!
  • 30 Jul 2026 09:04
    Reply # 13659296 on 1400344

    Hi Jes, Perhaps you have met the limit of what a 21ft trailer sailer is capable of doing in open water.  You've already hit upon the solution to poor heavily reefed windward performance - do what you can to eliminate twist - perhaps rig reefing pendants to bring the battens together at the leech. I'd lead the tails aft instead of needing to leave the cockpit to tie them.

    My own experience in the split junk rigged Coromandel Emmelène showed that if I wanted to make ground to windward in rough water, the thing to do was to bear away. A close reach, a fetch, will lift you slowly to windward, making less leeway and throwing less spray aft.


  • 30 Jul 2026 08:34
    Reply # 13659286 on 1400344

    2) go to a 2 part sheeting system

    -  is the answer, for sure. Just set it up so that both tails can be pulled together, in light breezes. The Easymatic lower block 

    https://seamarknunn.com/products/easy-marine-easymatic-1-lower-block-4-1-2-1-with-cross-block-double-servo-cleat-93101?_pos=4&_psq=easymatic+1&_psid=080203f4b&_ss=e

    does this very well, but has got ridiculously expensive now, so some alternative has to be found.

  • 29 Jul 2026 18:53
    Reply # 13658963 on 1400344

    Hi

     I thought I'd ressurect this old thread rather than starting a new one.  I wanted to ask about sailing close hauled with a JR.  I should say that my bilge keel Corribee 21 was never great going up wind with the original bermudan rig and I often did a bit of motor sailing if a I had a long upwind fetch eg getting out past a headland.

    With my cambered junk rig, I am more than happy with the performance off the wind on a reach or running down wind, ease of handling, easy reefing, faster boat speeds etc  Up wind in lighter conditions with a flattish sea state is also OK. 

    However when its blowing F5 or more and I'm reefed down to maybe 3 or 4 panels the performace is terrible. There is massive twist in the sail with the upper panel hanging way out to the side, if I sheet in too far she just stops, it is disappointing. I was in the North Sea this year and the typical short chop doesn't help either.  From my reading on the forums I think there are a few things I could do

    1) lash the reefed sail bundle together to get more sheeting on the remaining panels

    2) go to a 2 part sheeting system

    3) does adjusting the balance of the sail on the mast, maybe decreasing it have any effect

    Possibly the bigger mast and my new hard dodger creating more windage are also contributing factors

    I would appreciate any comments or suggestions

    Thanks

    Jes



  • 13 Nov 2013 00:02
    Reply # 1433891 on 1400344
    SLACKTIDE was able to beat in 45kt with unlimited fetch, making about 1/2 knot good, deep reefed over neutral current.

    As you can see from the icon, she's a box barge with leeboardlike off-centerboards (work on both lee and windward sides). Our JR is dumbed down to match (only running sheets and haulyards). The only concession to efficiency is that we remove purchase from the reefed bundle in heavy winds, reducing twist.

    If JR can drive us into the wind, it can drive anyone!  8)

    Dave Z

    Note: It must be said that the upper panel accentuates the CrabClaw shape, and we deep-cut the leech to help bring the CE inboard. I believe both these features help.
  • 30 Sep 2013 01:57
    Reply # 1401210 on 1400344
    Many great comments. All in line with what mehitabel teaches. 

    I can't imagine a better solution than a junk rig for becoming so deeply reefed.

    Cheers,
    Kurt
  • 29 Sep 2013 10:38
    Reply # 1400809 on 1400344
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Stavanger, Sunday

    I have found that the 3-panel top section  of my sails are quite good for upwind work.  In my 3 ton Johanna (1.4-ton keel), it takes a F7 before I need to drop this much sail ( 3 panels= 21sqm). Tacking angle is wider than when sailing 7-up in a breeze, but we definitely go to windward. With my new lazyjacks setup the yard and upper battens are well supported by the lee topping lift so the twist is moderate. The biggest brake when sailing to windward in Johanna is the 25cm thick mast. Its “sail area” of 1.6sqm can be felt when going to windward in strong winds. I have never gybed in these winds, but tacked around instead.

    My 740kg Frøken Sørensen is much more tippy so when we, on her third trip, went out in F5-F6, with strong gusts on top of it, we also ended up on only 3 panels (about 9sqm) . This worked well, and we made a reasonable progress to windward. However, when we dropped to just two panels, just to see, we felt underpowered. Here you can see how the top section rigs.  The use of a little camber in the top panels helps in keeping the leech taut and avoid fluttering.

    Mind you, the strong-wind sails I refer to were in sheltered waters. Close-hauled sailing offshore is a very different game. There I have found that the seastate rather than the wind is the limiting factor. This is why I like the full-keel boats (Contessa 26, Vertue) better for this work: They let one sail slowly to windward without losing too much ground in making leeway. A fin keel is more likely to stall each time the boat is being stopped.

    Conclusion: The JR is definitely a good upwind rig in strong winds. In these conditions I really congratulate myself for having installed it. 

    Cheers, Arne

    Last modified: 30 Sep 2013 07:41 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 29 Sep 2013 06:11
    Reply # 1400743 on 1400344
    When we took Badger to the Falkland Islands, it wasn't long before we came to the conclusion that if we weren't prepared to go out in F7 winds, we weren't going to go anywhere.  We spent 13 months there and sailed up and down from one end of the archipelago to the other, several times.  Believe me, this meant that we had to go to windward, and we had to go in plenty of wind (after all, we were in the Furious Fifties).  The only auxiliary engine we had was a Seagull, so we relied on our sails.

    And like the other posters, my advice would be to jump in with both feet, accept the challenge and enjoy the outcome!
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