Windward Ability in Very Strong Winds

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  • 28 Sep 2013 21:59
    Reply # 1400502 on 1400344
    Mark, I don't know if you have followed my posts about converting Arion to junk sloop from bermudian cutter.  I was a bit intimidated by how different it all was at first but reminded myself that a legion of veteran sailors had successfully voyaged with the rig before me.  My experience with the rig has been that my cambered sail works just as well to windward as the bermudian rig did, more so in fact because the boat stands up to its canvas so much better than before, allowing me to drive the boat a lot harder.  I always put a tie around the bundle when deep reefed.  As David says, it helps with sail shape but it also guards against fan ups when gybing.  With my sail deeply reefed, the rig feels rock solid and inspires tremendous confidence.  Knowing how easy it is to raise or lower a panel as needed only adds to my sense of snug security.   Having experienced cruising under junk rig, I would never go back to a bermudian rig.
  • 28 Sep 2013 21:52
    Reply # 1400494 on 1400344
    I would support what Paul and David have written above.  Both their comments chime true with my experience.  The HM shape sails on Lexia fully reefed make two lobster claws.  And interestingly, I have just learnt something - tie the sheetlets together so they pull together.  OOda thowt it! 
  • 28 Sep 2013 21:18
    Reply # 1400477 on 1400344
    A HM sail reefed down to the top two triangles is actually quite an efficient shape, and is very manageable when going to windward in half a gale. It's better if a sail tie is put around the whole bundle of sheetlets, so that they all pull together, and don't let the sail sag off, but that's easy to do. 

    It sure as heck beats a deeply reefed roller headsail, which is terrible for going to windward.

    I echo what Paul said, Mark. In the words of the Nike slogan "Just do it!".
  • 28 Sep 2013 20:52
    Reply # 1400466 on 1400344
    Mark Thomasson wrote:The standard junk sail plan gives a very low aspect sail when reefed down to its smallest size.  In theory this should not perform as well as a higher aspect sail up wind. 
    What is the experience of any members who have had to work to windward in very strong winds.
    Thanks

    It works just fine. So far I've sailed LC to the windward in up to 30 kts without issues and she undoubtedly sails better than she did under her gaff rig.

    Mark, you need to stop worrying about theory and start doing :-) Then you'll know the answers for real.
    You can agonise over theoretical issues forever but only doing it provides proof of the pudding.

    Virtually no one that has actually bitten the bullet and done a conversion has said they want to go back to what they had. Certainly, I'll never go back to a gaff or bermuda rig,

    Now days when I get invitations to sail on non junk rig boats, I normally decline them, Other rigs are just to much work to sail!

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  • 28 Sep 2013 15:48
    Message # 1400344
    The standard junk sail plan gives a very low aspect sail when reefed down to its smallest size.  In theory this should not perform as well as a higher aspect sail up wind. 
    What is the experience of any members who have had to work to windward in very strong winds.
    Thanks


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