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  • 19 Jan 2026 19:39
    Reply # 13586913 on 9327660

    the mains might be upside down. otherwise the creases would mark the other diagonale.

    ueli

  • 19 Jan 2026 15:35
    Reply # 13586795 on 9327660
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    I  don't know what you mean about "the more barrelled shape". The jibs would be rectangular and symmetrical, and upside down wouldn't matter, except that there is a small batten rise, so that means they are slightly rhombic and there is a right/wrong way up, which obviously does matter. Because the batten rise is relatively small on that sail, it is surprisingly difficult to tell which way up they are after making the jibs, which is why it is important to mark them at the time each one is made, before assembly of the sail.

    It does look as though they are upside down, but I am not totally convinced, puzzled because in my case you can see that crease is along the other diagonal compared with your creased ones.  I can't think of any other explanation, but if you say you did mark them, then don't start pulling things apart straight away.

    One of those main panels doesn't look right either, but that might be because it might be positioned incorrectly on one of its battens (fore and aft), or perhaps your parrel downhaul arrangements need altering (fore and aft) in case they are pulling a batten forward or aft. Small changes in the attachment of those parrel downhauls can make quite a difference, I found. (Also two of the battens are caught up around the wrong side of the starboard aft "topping lift", that's not helping matters either. Those aft lifts should be attached just forward enough on the sail catcher that battens can't get on the wrong side.)

    To begin with, I suggest try adjusting the position of the jibs and the mains, fore and aft along the  battens - and the positioning of the parrel downhauls, - small amounts could make quite a difference -  and see if you can tune out any diagonal creases in the main panels. If you can get the main panels setting nicely and any of the jibs persist in showing a permanent diagonal crease, then you would have to consider that it might be upside down.

    I think it is possible that at least two of them are upside down, by the look of those creases, but try adjusting their position along the batten before doing anything drastic.

    If you are lucky the entire four jibs might prove to be be upside down and if that were the  case you could flip the set of four all at once. 

    It's a bit hard to know where to start. If you can't tune out each of those creases, I suggest flip all or any jibs which have a persistant severe crease, hopefully all four at once if they are all creased, then reassemble the sail. Then hoist it, and adjust the parrel downhaul attachment points and see if you can tune the sail so that you get nice semicircular wringles in the sagging main panels, rather than a diagonal crease.  You can expect to be fooling around for a while until it all sets nicely, but once you get it set up right there should be no further problem when you hoist the sail.

    With my small Amiina sail, I found no need for any other running control lines than the parrel downhauls, once things were tuned up properly - but it is possible with your somewhat heavier rig that you might need other parrels to make it sit correctly - a throat hauling parrel perhaps - hopefully not, I don't know much about any of those other types of parrel so can't advise.

    Slieve or others might have some better advice.

    Don't despair - you'll get it right after a bit of messing around, and then you will come to like that sail very much.

    Last modified: 19 Jan 2026 16:58 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 19 Jan 2026 13:23
    Reply # 13586750 on 9327660

    There's definitely a possibility that the set of jibs is upside down. I think I have "top" written on both the sides of the jiblets. Remind me, does the more barreled shape resign on the top side of the jib or bottom?

    I'm also thinking maybe my lashings that tie the four and a aft sale together are too tight. I lash them together so they have a lot of tension.

    Last modified: 19 Jan 2026 13:52 | Anonymous member
  • 18 Jan 2026 20:45
    Reply # 13586601 on 9327660
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    This is what an upside down jib looks like.

    It's a very easy mistake to make and it was weeks of frustration trying to tune it out, before I realised what it was.

    Last modified: 19 Jan 2026 15:10 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 18 Jan 2026 20:19
    Reply # 13586593 on 9327660

    Well, you have to label each panel "front", "back", "top", "bottom" correctly, because it's very easy to make a mistake. This has happened to several people. ;)

    Last modified: 18 Jan 2026 20:22 | Anonymous member
  • 18 Jan 2026 20:10
    Reply # 13586588 on 9327660

    It's hard to tell with the sail not fully hoisted, but by any chance, have you installed them upside down?

  • 18 Jan 2026 18:55
    Reply # 13586570 on 9327660

    Well guys,


    It has been some 5 years, but the boat is finaly in the water!


    I have started to rig the sail, but have found some conserning shape to the jiblets of my split junk. I'm getting these horizontal creases from the upper leech to the lower left of the jib panel. I think I may have got one of my numbers wrong on my pattern. The jib seems to almost sit flat. I'm wondering if it's from the tension of the Batten pockets. I must have mismeasured something. The upper and lower panels seem to be cut with too much recurve towards the back of the panel. Luckily my sales are two different colors so you might be able make out my problem from the pictures here.


    Let me know what you all are thinking. Hopefully it's just a rigging problem.

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  • 09 Feb 2025 18:24
    Reply # 13460948 on 13453927

    Just remember to use a softer putty-type glue instead of the shown epoxy. The bolt at each ends are important. They take up the shear load which transforms the two independent tubes into a beam.

    - Arne

    Rerigging Ilvy, I sticked to Arne's excellent tutorial - except for one thing: I didn't glue those two tubes of the yard together, but only lashed them firmly every 20 cm or so. Of course I did put those bolts at the ends, as those are essential.

    No issues since, works like a charm!

    Cheers,

    Paul

  • 23 Jan 2025 13:09
    Reply # 13453927 on 9327660
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Here is how I built the yard for my 26' Ingeborg: 

    https://bit.ly/2IpCWtR

    Just remember to use a softer putty-type glue instead of the shown epoxy. The bolt at each ends are important. They take up the shear load which transforms the two independent tubes into a beam.

    Good luck,

    Arne



    Last modified: 23 Jan 2025 13:31 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 22 Jan 2025 22:16
    Reply # 13453723 on 9327660

    All good stuff! I will take all the info I can get!


    Just wondering about this yard. I can't find any good places to start. Big pipe or two pipes? How do I size it? I'm at a loss