Siblong

  • 20 Mar 2018 09:05
    Reply # 5988583 on 5987340

    Arne,

    The Freeship program can calculate the Cross Curves, from which it is possible to calculate GZ if the VCG is known (I can't get values of KN for greater heel angles than 40o as my Freeship model is a bit "leaky" above that, and I don't know how to fix it). VCG can only be a guess, as it depends on what is actually built and how it is loaded up, but it is commonly near the DWL, or somewhat above, for a cruising boat. On that basis, the GZ30 is likely to be somewhere around 0.45

    A shoal draught boat simply has to be heavily ballasted. I have put in 1.6 tonnes of keel, for a 40% ballast ratio, and I wouldn't ever want to go for less than that, for any offshore boat.

    Last modified: 21 Mar 2018 09:47 | Anonymous member
  • 20 Mar 2018 08:49
    Reply # 5988581 on 5987340

    Gary, and Nicholas, thanks for the kind words.

    I said recently that one metre was my favourite draught. In fact, the choice of draught for a 9 metre SibLim would be entirely up to the owner/builder. There could be a broad fin keel of about 1.4 metres draught with no bilgeboards, for example, if the owner didn't have drying out capability as a high priority. That would be arguably better/more conventional for ocean going. The present stub keel only shows with a gap below the hull because I haven't yet got around to putting a deadwood into the Freeship model.

  • 20 Mar 2018 06:14
    Reply # 5988514 on 5987340

    David,


    Looks great. The lines look even better stretched out a bit.

    And I like that the rudders are now splayed. Not personally a fan of skegs when you could just as easily have lifting balanced rudders that can be lifted for inspection and work. but thats no biggie.

    I noted elsewhere though that you said your preferred draft for a keel was around 2 and a half feet ish. But this drawing seems to show around 840mm. Is there a particular reason for this ? Actually that keel doesn't exactly look attached in the dxf :-)

    Cheers

    Gary



  • 19 Mar 2018 22:18
    Reply # 5988136 on 5987898
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    David Tyler wrote:

    Some rough-and-ready first attempts at the SibLim 9 metre can now be found here.


    Looks really good David. I know nothing of boat building or design so my assessment is not technical at all. Thank you for sharing. I really hope someone in a position to build will choose this design so we can all see the finished vessel in use.
  • 19 Mar 2018 20:47
    Reply # 5987967 on 5987340
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Thanks for the drawings, David.

    I think the 9m SibLim *) looks very promising. With a wll. of 7.7m, her hull speed should rise to 6.7kts, compared to 6.3kts on the 26-footer.

    As mentioned earlier, I am looking for two sorts of stability:

    1.      The ‘sailing stability’, with witch I mean the stability at max. heeling before reefing, when sailing close-hauled. I guess that is at somewhere between 20 and 30°. At this angle of heel, the vertical position of the centre of gravity is not terribly important, as the hull shape counts more.

    2.      The safety- or knockdown stability is the other factor. My guess is that the vertical position and amount of ballast has much more to say here.

    What I would want to have is plenty of sailing stability and enough, but not more than enough knockdown stability. In other words, I would try to get away with as little ballast as possible, so I could load the boat with lots of stuff, without ending up sitting low on the waterline.

    Would it be possible to export the drawing into a maritime CAD program and find her stability curve, for instance with a constant displacement, but with different amount of outside ballast?

    This could ensure a maximum useful boat, without dragging around more than necessary ballast.

    Arne

    *) sorry if I stuck a wrong name to her...


    Last modified: 19 Mar 2018 22:57 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 19 Mar 2018 19:34
    Reply # 5987869 on 5987340

    What's wrong with Siblong? I'm sure we can think up a suitable acronym!

  • 19 Mar 2018 18:57
    Reply # 5987770 on 5987340

    Arne, 

    No, it's just the length that will be expanded, leaving the beam and depth the same. SibLim is beamy for her length, to give Annie the most boat, living space and form stability for her money, and I don't need to add more. The bulkheads will be the same, just further apart. Both cabins will be 2.1 metres long, giving more scope for variations in the accommodation, and allowing berth lengths suitable for Humans, rather than Hobbitses. I'll have to add a coachroof, for the benefit of Humans, as well.

    Can anyone think of a better working title than SibLong?

  • 19 Mar 2018 18:37
    Reply # 5987737 on 5987340
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    David,

    do you by this mean that you have expanded SibLim in 3 planes instead of just stretching it?

    Btw. The plans for the schooner Samson that you met in the Rally in Stavanger in 2004, was for a 45-footer. Svein Magnus Ueland stretched it to 49' in a way that the Samson company recommended:

    Instead of only increasing the distance between the frames, he combined that method with adding a second main frame at the middle of the ship. The result looks very right.

    Arne

    PS: That was before the CAD days...

  • 19 Mar 2018 15:47
    Reply # 5987345 on 5987340

    No, not yet, but now there's some interest, I'll get onto it!

    Actually, since all I'll be doing is stretching the length by 9%, it won't look markedly different from SibLim.

    Last modified: 19 Mar 2018 15:50 | Anonymous member
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