A SibLing with coachroof and keel, no bilgeboards

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  • 06 Jan 2024 10:43
    Reply # 13297776 on 10182961

    Happy New Year, Frank, and best wishes!

    Very many thanks for your reply, and taking time to call your wood supplier. Your delay is not a problem, family comes first at this time of year:-)

    I may not have been very clear with how I wrote my query, but you have fully answered what I intended to ask. That is really useful, valuable, information and I appreciate it.

    If/when I get started I will definitely update here.

    Cheers, Adrian

  • 04 Jan 2024 11:36
    Reply # 13296821 on 13290413
    Anonymous wrote:

    Hi Frank, I live in NL and if I ever commit to a build project I expect I would wish to use a similar quality of pine ply. Is it possible to detail for us exactly which product you bought, and who supplied it to you? Perhaps the manufacturer has an distributor in NL or I could simply bring it home from your supplier on a large trailer...


    Thanks again, Adrian


    Adrian, sorry for the delay. I don't have any more information about the ply. I called the wood dealer and asked for the specific sort of pine. They were really confused about a odd question like that and had no clue. 

    So I'm quite certain that it is a generic European industry product which any wood dealer in Germany orders from their next bigger wholesaler and they from 1 or 2 factories, probably in eastern Europe. 

    My advice is to find the nearest wood seller to the border and ask them to order "Sperrholz Kiefer AW-100". Also Tony used a very similar if not the same product with a source near Lüneburg, if I remember quite right. You could also ask him for his source, that would be like 400km closer to the Netherlands. He talks about the ply here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzDFmsJA4MM 

    For orientation of a rough price range, I paid 17€/qm for 10mm now. In the video Tony says he paid 9€/qm 5 years ago.  

    All the best (and keep us updated about your project :) )

    Frank

    Last modified: 04 Jan 2024 11:41 | Anonymous member
  • 04 Jan 2024 11:29
    Reply # 13296820 on 13289223
    Anonymous wrote:

    I though I'd posted the other day, but I had a very poor signal and it must have 'got lost' en route.  Anyway, belated congratulations to getting her in the water.  I hope you have good facilities to complete the fitting out.  I confess, nothing would have induced me to launch my SibLim until she was complete: I knew that once she was afloat my self-discipline would evaporate!  I suppose that work will have to slow down a bit, with it now being winter in your part of the world.  I look forward to the next batch of photos!


    Annie, thank you! The boat was in the shed until Tuesday, thanks to the support of my employer. Now it is outside in front of the shed. I finished 97% of the epoxy work inside. It should (and have to :) ) be OK doing the remaining tasks outside. I have a small electro heater and the Reflex stove almost ready to install if needed. The workshop is also only ~20m away.
    I can't really slow down, because I have to sell my van in February or March and don't want to move to some temporary accommodation. So there is still enough pressure to not book a flight to South East Asia or somewhere else warm. :)

  • 13 Dec 2023 09:48
    Reply # 13290413 on 13287938

    I used Pine which has durability class 3 while the cheapest hardwood ply (Okoumé/Gabun) has durability class 4-5 and would cost me maybe three times as much as Pine. Pine and Larch (quite comparable to Douglas fir) are also the traditional used softwoods in boat building here for hundreds of years. I developed a deep affection for Pine over the last 2 years :)

    The glue is AW-100 / EN 314-3 specified. This is the highest possible specification (boil and waterproof) and should be comparable to WBP outdoor.

    The hull has >320g/m² cloth and colored epoxy and/or 2k PU as a topcoat respectively 2 additional coats of epoxy + 5 coats of Coppercoat under water.

    Hi Frank, I live in NL and if I ever commit to a build project I expect I would wish to use a similar quality of pine ply. Is it possible to detail for us exactly which product you bought, and who supplied it to you? Perhaps the manufacturer has an distributor in NL or I could simply bring it home from your supplier on a large trailer...


    Thanks again, Adrian

  • 10 Dec 2023 03:29
    Reply # 13289223 on 10182961

    I though I'd posted the other day, but I had a very poor signal and it must have 'got lost' en route.  Anyway, belated congratulations to getting her in the water.  I hope you have good facilities to complete the fitting out.  I confess, nothing would have induced me to launch my SibLim until she was complete: I knew that once she was afloat my self-discipline would evaporate!  I suppose that work will have to slow down a bit, with it now being winter in your part of the world.  I look forward to the next batch of photos!

  • 07 Dec 2023 16:17
    Reply # 13288322 on 13287938
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    I see you have used softwood plywood, is that WBP?  (as we used to call it).

    i trust that you have been meticulous in epoxy coating it, I recall Annie gave her marine ply three coats before assembling.

    note, Richard Woods reported that one of his cats was built in WBP  40 years ago, well looked after and still going strong.  

    Mark,

    I used Pine which has durability class 3 while the cheapest hardwood ply (Okoumé/Gabun) has durability class 4-5 and would cost me maybe three times as much as Pine. Pine and Larch (quite comparable to Douglas fir) are also the traditional used softwoods in boat building here for hundreds of years. I developed a deep affection for Pine over the last 2 years :)

    The glue is AW-100 / EN 314-3 specified. This is the highest possible specification (boil and waterproof) and should be comparable to WBP outdoor.

    The hull has >320g/m² cloth and colored epoxy and/or 2k PU as a topcoat respectively 2 additional coats of epoxy + 5 coats of Coppercoat under water.

    Nothing wrong with pine, as long as it is well sealed on all faces, outside and in.
  • 06 Dec 2023 20:35
    Reply # 13287938 on 13286799
    Anonymous wrote:

    I see you have used softwood plywood, is that WBP?  (as we used to call it).

    i trust that you have been meticulous in epoxy coating it, I recall Annie gave her marine ply three coats before assembling.

    note, Richard Woods reported that one of his cats was built in WBP  40 years ago, well looked after and still going strong.  

    Mark,

    I used Pine which has durability class 3 while the cheapest hardwood ply (Okoumé/Gabun) has durability class 4-5 and would cost me maybe three times as much as Pine. Pine and Larch (quite comparable to Douglas fir) are also the traditional used softwoods in boat building here for hundreds of years. I developed a deep affection for Pine over the last 2 years :)

    The glue is AW-100 / EN 314-3 specified. This is the highest possible specification (boil and waterproof) and should be comparable to WBP outdoor.

    The hull has >320g/m² cloth and colored epoxy and/or 2k PU as a topcoat respectively 2 additional coats of epoxy + 5 coats of Coppercoat under water.

    Last modified: 06 Dec 2023 20:36 | Anonymous member
  • 04 Dec 2023 17:00
    Reply # 13286799 on 10182961

    I see you have used softwood plywood, is that WBP?  (as we used to call it).

    i trust that you have been meticulous in epoxy coating it, I recall Annie gave her marine ply three coats before assembling.

    note, Richard Woods reported that one of his cats was built in WBP  40 years ago, well looked after and still going strong.  

  • 03 Dec 2023 16:59
    Reply # 13286355 on 10182961

    Thanks again, Frank - that's just what I was hoping to see, with the cabin largely empty. I appreciate your taking the time to have these extra photos available here:-)

  • 03 Dec 2023 10:34
    Reply # 13286297 on 13282024
    Anonymous wrote:Well done, Frank, it's good to see that she floats ;-}
    -  keep up the good work!

    Thanks, and she floats and moves very nice in the water.


    Anonymous wrote:

    Hi Frank, congratulations on your successful quick water trial! Well done, you must be very proud. Also, with the top sides now painted, your unusual colour scheme is working well;-)

    I know it is probably far from complete, but I'd be very interested to see some photos of the interior as it currently is. Did you also take some photos inside? If so, please can you post them here?

    Thanks and regards,

    Adrian


    Thank you Adrian. There is not that much progress inside so far. I made yesterday two photos from the salon and the berth.

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