Moody Halberdier proof of conformity document

  • 16 Oct 2021 11:30
    Reply # 11519971 on 11140035

    Very interesting.

    Just to be clear.

    You will be able to keep the boat on the British SSR and you will be allowed to keep her in the EU indefinitely? Will you have to pay the vat.? You won't be required to recertify for the RCD?

    Thanks

  • 15 Oct 2021 21:51
    Reply # 11500211 on 11486244
    Anonymous wrote:
    On the other hand, the British Registry people have been very helpful to each of my enquiries. They agree to re-register the ship under SSR, without any hassle.
    That will be my solution, and cheaper / less trouble-generating than the polish flag.
    I can keep the boat in France under a foreign non-EU flag, the french will deliver a passport for it, though I will pay the yearly fee just like if it was french registered.
    Maybe the end of the tunnel for me...
    Wow. You know a law is bad when the country where the law is from agrees readily to accept a work around from following that law. My experience getting this done for a home built boat in Canada (20 years ago now though) was simple by comparison. Some pictures and the volume of the vessel below the lowest sheer was about it.
  • 15 Oct 2021 08:25
    Reply # 11486244 on 11471586
    Anonymous wrote:

    Because of Brexit all boats built or designed after 1950 imported from the UK into the EU must be recertified to comply with the RCD (recreational craft directive) even if they already were certified. This means you will have to engage a company  known as a notified body to carry out an assessment of the boat. Your boat prior to Brexit was exempted from this as it was placed on the EU market before 1998.

    Sorry about the bad news. The RYA in the UK were quoting £500-5000 for a recertification assessment. Plus the expense of any modifications that may need to be made to comply. Just another unintended consequence of Brexit.

    Here's a link to the RCD guidelines outlining the extent and exemptions.

    https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/30001

    I believe the above is correct and I hope this info is of some help to you and others.

    Thank you for these facts.
    Every info I gathered from you guys, as well as from french administrations are deterring me from registering that ship in France.
    On the other hand, the British Registry people have been very helpful to each of my enquiries. They agree to re-register the ship under SSR, without any hassle.
    That will be my solution, and cheaper / less trouble-generating than the polish flag.
    I can keep the boat in France under a foreign non-EU flag, the french will deliver a passport for it, though I will pay the yearly fee just like if it was french registered.
    Maybe the end of the tunnel for me...
  • 14 Oct 2021 12:18
    Reply # 11471586 on 11140035

    Because of Brexit all boats built or designed after 1950 imported from the UK into the EU must be recertified to comply with the RCD (recreational craft directive) even if they already were certified. This means you will have to engage a company  known as a notified body to carry out an assessment of the boat. Your boat prior to Brexit was exempted from this as it was placed on the EU market before 1998.

    Sorry about the bad news. The RYA in the UK were quoting £500-5000 for a recertification assessment. Plus the expense of any modifications that may need to be made to comply. Just another unintended consequence of Brexit.

    Here's a link to the RCD guidelines outlining the extent and exemptions.

    https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/30001

    I believe the above is correct and I hope this info is of some help to you and others.

    Last modified: 14 Oct 2021 17:25 | Anonymous member
  • 06 Oct 2021 07:09
    Reply # 11143914 on 11141274
    Anonymous wrote:

    Yes Kris, I have already investigated the Polish flag option, and it looks like the only possible way for me to get out of this administrative trap.
    In France, they warn you that under a polish flag you'll be likely to endure repeated controls by the customs people.
    The belgian flag used to be the favourite up to the day when both France and Belgium reinforced and tightened the laws, so now all the belgian flags tend to go to Polish registration. Until the day when... 
    The website https://www.polish-yacht-registration.com/ asks for 569€ for a 11 meters boat, plus 25€ for the polish flag to wear on board.
    Are those the prices you paid?
    If I want the MMSI it's another 149€, I wonder what would be the problem if I kept the british MMSI I have at the moment.

    Patrick, excuse me, please, for misspelling your name.  The website and price range you mentioned is by a professional commercial company. Actual fee paid to the authority ( PYA.org.pl ) is much lower. I have charged € 280, what covers fees, sworn translation of the non-polish documents and about one day of my work.

    Documents in the form of good quality .pdf file needed from you:

    - bill of sale - proof of ownership

    - document stated getting out of previous register

    - manufacturers technical description of the boat with all dimensions and specific data,

    - picture of the engine serial number

    - power of attorney - authority to act on your behalves

    - photocopy of your ID

    This is usual procedure for the NON-COMMERCIAL boat registration, as a pleasure craft.

    I think, after you register your boat under new flag you need to register the yacht radio station and other transmitters, like AIS if you have one, according to the new boat registration.  In this process you will get new Call sign and the MMSI as well. UKE requires certificate of registration, copies of conformity statements of all radio transmitters and copy of the owner's SRC. This takes another € 100.

    The radio boat license is valid for 10 years, unlike the boat registration, which is "eternal".

    Last modified: 06 Oct 2021 07:10 | Anonymous member
  • 05 Oct 2021 09:42
    Reply # 11141315 on 11141153
    Anonymous wrote:

    Hi Patric,

    Since this boats have been built in years 1967 up to 1973 I doubt you can get the CE conformity certificate. You may consider, as EU resident, to register your boat under the Polish flag, still EU, less formalities and no obligatory  technical inspection or renewals.

    I have recently registered my new build by myself boat, as well as helped to register boats for my two Portuguese and one Hungarian sailors. If interested contact me at kris@kmatuszewski.eu . This will take about a months, since the Polish sworn translation  documents is necessary. First you will get the electronic temporary certificate, then the hard plastic copy will be issued.

    Hi Patrick, I would suggest a polite written enquiry back to the French maritime authorities asking for a copy of the original legislation that states clearly that a boat of that age and country of origin requires such a certificate. The law may well not apply but the bureaucrat you're dealing with is just ticking the usual boxes. 

    I hope they don't also hit you with a big bill for import duty and VAT as well. 

    Too late now but I think there is a loop-hole that some people have used where they buy a boat in the UK mainland, bring it to Northern Ireland (UK) and then into Ireland (EU) and then to their home EU country with no red tape.

  • 05 Oct 2021 09:31
    Reply # 11141274 on 11140035

    Yes Kris, I have already investigated the Polish flag option, and it looks like the only possible way for me to get out of this administrative trap.
    In France, they warn you that under a polish flag you'll be likely to endure repeated controls by the customs people.
    The belgian flag used to be the favourite up to the day when both France and Belgium reinforced and tightened the laws, so now all the belgian flags tend to go to Polish registration. Until the day when... 
    The website https://www.polish-yacht-registration.com/ asks for 569€ for a 11 meters boat, plus 25€ for the polish flag to wear on board.
    Are those the prices you paid?
    If I want the MMSI it's another 149€, I wonder what would be the problem if I kept the british MMSI I have at the moment.

  • 05 Oct 2021 08:01
    Reply # 11141153 on 11140035

    Hi Patric,

    Since this boats have been built in years 1967 up to 1973 I doubt you can get the CE conformity certificate. You may consider, as EU resident, to register your boat under the Polish flag, still EU, less formalities and no obligatory  technical inspection or renewals.

    I have recently registered my new build by myself boat, as well as helped to register boats for my two Portuguese and one Hungarian sailors. If interested contact me at kris@kmatuszewski.eu . This will take about a months, since the Polish sworn translation  documents is necessary. First you will get the electronic temporary certificate, then the hard plastic copy will be issued.

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  • 04 Oct 2021 21:16
    Reply # 11140134 on 11140035

    Hi Patrick,

    I would suggest that the best place to start may be Moody's. They are still in business and I am sure it will not be the first time they have come across this problem, so they will know what to do/provide for the French authorities.

    All the best.

    David.

  • 04 Oct 2021 20:41
    Message # 11140035

    Hello to all of you.
    I thought I coud expose my problem in this forum, I hope it is not misplaced.
    I have bought a junk rigged 36' Moody Haberdier in te UK (Glasgow) and sailed it down to France, of which I am a citizen.
    The french maritime authorities ask me for a "certificat de conformité", meaning a proof of conformity. I suppose it is the document issued by the yacht builder, stating that the boat is up to its description, seaworthy, number of passengers, etc.
    Unfortunately the former owner has not given it to me and is not of any help.
    Does anyone of you know where I could get this document for my boat? No need to mention the junk rig modification, french maritine affairs are already to complicated.
    Thanks to all who can help me.
    I am also looking for any information and history about this vessel, named "China Blue" (see https://www.junkrigassociation.org/noticeboard_forum/4705798).

    Thanks to all,
    Patrick

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