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  • 26 May 2016 08:35
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    Reply # 4040146 on 4039896
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    David Tyler wrote:

      What we need here is a bit of crowdsourcing; a pooling of skills to create the ideal cooker, designed and made by sailors for sailors to use. 


    I wonder what size the market might be for this.  As with JR, mainstream sailors would be sceptical of a change from their "norm" of gas bottle cooking, despite any greater advantages of safety, storage, convenience and freedom from meddling officialdom.  The market might be limited to those with an open mind, like JRA members, which would impact on its financial viability.

    Even with crowd funding a coherent business plan would need to be put in place to avoid embarrassing failure, let alone waste of time and money.  Is this something the JRA might take on as a project?  If so would the remit be the design and development alone, providing a set of drawings for individuals to self build?  Or would we take the product to manufacture, either on a small scale (for members only), or on a bigger scale (for general sale), or entice an existing manufacturer to take the product forward (with an inevitable bump in price level)?

    Then, of course, the issue of copyright comes into play, if we are basing the new burner's working principles on an existing product.  This could be avoided if the company who make that product were to be approached with our R&D for the "marine grade" improvement of their offering.  In which case they would probably want to do their own R&D, duplicating or wasting JRA members' efforts in that direction.

    How does anyone see this progressing?
  • 26 May 2016 05:47
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    Annie Hill wrote:

    As for making my cooker, you are suggesting something that is well beyond my skills.  I can't even get solder to stick successfully.  Besides, it would add about a month to my build project!  I shall have to make do with whatever I can buy locally, I believe.

    I was really thinking back to something that Amos said, earlier in this topic:

    "I do have a brother that is semi-retired and is a skilled sheet metal worker that can make just about anything out of metal.  Maybe we need to come up with a cooker design similar to what was done with SibLim that would meet our needs."

    What we need here is a bit of crowdsourcing; a pooling of skills to create the ideal cooker, designed and made by sailors for sailors to use.
  • 26 May 2016 01:44
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    The Maxie burners seem to suffer from dealloying; the copper and zinc being too far apart in the galvanic series, and neither the marine environment nor the combustion products will be helpful. While I wouldn't expect miracles, a zinc anode might possibly make a difference to burner longevity... no harm in trying.
  • 25 May 2016 22:22
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    David Tyler wrote:

    Go right ahead, Annie. This is the only contact info I can find (the links lead nowhere):


    Did so.  It will be interesting to see if there is any comeback.

    As for making my cooker, you are suggesting something that is well beyond my skills.  I can't even get solder to stick successfully.  Besides, it would add about a month to my build project!  I shall have to make do with whatever I can buy locally, I believe.


    Edit:  Well that was a waste of time:

    There was a problem delivering your email to:


    Topstoves@maxcoindustries.com


    WHAT HAPPENED?

    The domain name of the email address is not valid.

    Last modified: 25 May 2016 22:39 | Anonymous member
  • 25 May 2016 22:16
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:

    If that 65£ Maxie burner lasts for 3-4 years of live-aboard use, then I think it has paid for itself. After all, one has spent quite a lot (many times) more on fuel during that period. For weekend-sailors the burner should last 3 times as long, at least.

    I notice that they sell one old style and one new style burner. I could not see the difference. What is it between them?

    Arne

    Oddly enough, Arne, it's not the cost that concerns me (did I really write that?!).  What really ticked me off was the fact that after 6 months, the corroding parts (a) started to have sharp corners and (b) shed bits of crumbling metal onto the cooker base.  This meant that when I went to clean the cooker - call me house proud if you must - I occasionally cut my fingers and always got gritty bits all over the cloth, which were very unpleasant.  This also meant I needed a lot of water to rinse the cloth clean and although the stove is stainless, I still preferred not to leave salt water sitting on it, so would have to wash all the nasty bits out with fresh water, before going back for a final wipe clean.  A silly thing to irritate me, I know, but it did.
  • 25 May 2016 10:08
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    Reply # 4038368 on 1195343
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    New style:  6mm hose tail.

    Old style:  threaded connection.
  • 25 May 2016 09:02
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    Reply # 4038323 on 1195343
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    If that 65£ Maxie burner lasts for 3-4 years of live-aboard use, then I think it has paid for itself. After all, one has spent quite a lot (many times) more on fuel during that period. For weekend-sailors the burner should last 3 times as long, at least.

    I notice that they sell one old style and one new style burner. I could not see the difference. What is it between them?

    Arne

     
  • 25 May 2016 08:07
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    Reply # 4038267 on 1195343
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    Go right ahead, Annie. This is the only contact info I can find (the links lead nowhere):

    MAXCO INDUSTRIES

    +61 2 97361633

    8 Bennett St

    Mortlake, New South Wales, Australia 2137-2137

    http://www.maxcoindustries.com

    or:

    Unit 7/20 Loyalty Road

    North Rocks

    NSW 2151

    (612) 9683 1255

    Topstoves@MaxcoIndustries.com

    http://www.maxiemarinecookers.com


    "The Broadwater range of gas fuelled marine stoves is a world leader in quality, style, reliability and durability. The Maxie and Tudor ranges include gas and spirit fuelled burners. The stoves are proudly Australian made and have been manufactured for over 75 years".

    But I don't hold out any hope of success. It would be easier to make our own:

     I entered 'copper stopend 54mm' into the eBay.co.uk search box, and very quickly found the basis of the burner chamber. Add in some sheet copper to form the preheating cup - an easy job. Add in some 6mm copper tube, that must pass through the burner chamber and then turn back on itself, to be squeezed shut and then re-drilled with a 1mm hole. Make a 10mm hole in the burner chamber, opposite the 1mm hole. Add a 6mm needle valve with compression fittings. Buy a MAPP gas torch and some sifbronze rods. Add in a little bit of metalworking skill, and some time, and you're there.

    Total cost for materials for two burners: £39, free carriage

    Cost of one Maxie burner £65 + carriage

    Last modified: 25 May 2016 08:30 | Anonymous member
  • 24 May 2016 21:49
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    Maybe we should send a petition to Maxie asking them to upgrade the quality of their burners (and their stove gimbals, come to think of it) and tell them they will be assured of a steady market of junkies!!
  • 24 May 2016 15:38
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    Reply # 4036717 on 4036394
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    David Tyler wrote:

    The Maxie burner flame is as robust as a LPG or pressure kero flame, and I've settled on a one litre tank. I think this is a setup that's safe enough.

    One litre of spilled alcohol is a nuisance, but not a disaster. Even if it catches fire, a frightened man with a bucket will deal with it quickly and safely - water both extinguishes the fire, and dilutes the alcohol so that it will no longer burn.

    One litre of kero is a mess. It would be difficult to make it catch fire, but if it does, a dry powder extinguisher will be needed, making more mess. A frightened man with a bucket will spread droplets of burning kero around the cabin.

    One litre of spilled LPG, expanding to several cubic metres of gas, is a Red Alert. if it catches fire, my hypothetical man won't live long enough to be frightened.


    David,
    I buy your arguments and agree with you with respect to safety. It appears very unlikely that the Maxie burner will fail and create a dangerous situation. I would like to build a one-burner Maxie stove myself, but these days my focus is on  assembling a big puzzle: Ingeborg's junkrig...

    Good luck with your Weaverbird, she makes a lot of sense to me.

    Arne
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