The Shape In A Junk Sail

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  • 17 May 2025 00:39
    Reply # 13500218 on 13500036
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Here's a few more square top batten lug sails (old and new).

    They all have the lifts,  sheeting and reefing systems which identify them as true Chinese junks, except for the last two which I have some doubts about. The second to last  appears to have sheeting on both the luff and leech side of the square panels and might trace its origin more to the "square sail". Not sure. The last one (Lores) I'm not sure about either.

    The split one, third to last (with the blue sail and fold-away hull), fits the definition (well, my definition) of the Chinese junk and has been the subject of recent posts (Jan Cz).

    Also, Amiina (another SJR) raced for a season with the top panel missing ...


    Oh, and lets not forget Roger S's laserPanic (yet another SJR)


    rather apposite to your own boat (another laser, with a square top batten lug sail)

    Last modified: 17 May 2025 01:50 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 16 May 2025 19:23
    Reply # 13500091 on 13500036

    Hi Colin,

    Your findings are very fascinating, especially the effect of camber position and flat top sail shape!

    I can imagine the background of your flat top findings being one of the following: either the sail shape itself with more are high up, or the angle of the upper battens being more parallel to the airflow and thus producing less drag. The last point might also be one of the reasons why Slieve's rig reportedly sail upwind so powerfully.


    Thanks a lot for sharing! Very interesting!

    Paul

  • 16 May 2025 17:36
    Message # 13500036

    Hello, my name is Colin Clayton!

    After spending years making junk sails for a Laser at Cabrillo Beach, California and testing them in Hurricane Gulch I wish to share what I have learned as I believe it may be beneficial to other junk sailors.

    I used to add camber into every panel of my junk sails, except the top panels, similarly to many junk sails that I see today. I have found that shape in the lower panels reduces the effectiveness of the sail. It seems that only panels located about 2/3rds up the sail should have camber added.

    I used to add the most camber into the bottom panels and lessened the amount of added camber going up the sail. Once I reversed that it was a world of difference especially in regard to how high I could point into the wind.

    I also tried many methods to attach the sail to the mast. The one that seemed to work best for me was also the most simple. An eye is placed at the luff end of each batten. Then a single line, beginning at a control cleat, is laced through the eye and around the mast for each batten then tied off at the yard. This made the sail very free, but still very much under control. It almost began to feel like I was flying a kite on a pole instead of wrangling a mechanical wing.

    Fan top style junk rigs were all I made at first. One day, almost as a joke, I decided to make a rectangular one, fully expecting it to sail terribly. Surprisingly, it was much faster going upwind and felt more stable. I think there are benefits to a fan top style rig over a square top one, but if speed is your goal then a cambered square top is the answer.

    Attached to the post are pictures of an earlier fan top sail with shape in the lower panels as well as a fan top sail with camber added only in the upper middle section. Finally, there is a picture of a square top sail that highlights the location of the shape added to the panels.

    Here is a video showing how I rigged my Laser and another showing how to cut out the sail panels.

    How To Make A Junk Sail (Part Two Rigging)

    How To Make A Junk Sail (Part One Lofting)

    Happy Sailing!


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