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Why do we not see more junks in leisure sailing ? (Research Study)

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  • 22 May 2026 20:47
    Reply # 13634879 on 13633807

    Filled and submitted…..

  • 22 May 2026 15:47
    Reply # 13634730 on 13633807

    I too have answered your question in your google form. I only hope that someday one of the major manufacturers starts making boats with unsupported masts. At least, it would make life easier for us ‘Junkers’!


  • 22 May 2026 10:44
    Reply # 13634654 on 13633807

    Bonne chance dans tes recherches, Guillaume.

  • 22 May 2026 10:19
    Reply # 13634650 on 13633807
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Just posting the link to Guillaume’s questionnaire again as it is now very far down the thread

    https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc8vQ6E-MGGqwPhoRJZc2q_BkhD2UIoSBfvjMSZ9gVI9NSN3Q/viewform?usp=sharing&ouid=118135095081593622474

  • 21 May 2026 21:47
    Reply # 13634497 on 13634483
    Anonymous wrote:
    James wrote:

    MacNaughton designs, there's an article on one in Yachting Monthly.

    https://www.yachtingworld.com/homepage/extraordinary-boats-hapenny-20-risvold-the-little-junk-rig-that-could-162979


    Fine little boat  -  with an undersize and flat sail.

    This boat will cry out to everyone that junk-rigged boats are helplessly slow...

    Arne

    You are definitely right Arne!

    Dreaming of a new bigger boat for the future, I purchased the study plans of the “blue horizons”, a beautiful 30 footer, twin keeled, McNaugthon design. The blue horizons has a single flat junk sail.
    I chatted about this and much more with Tom, the head of the company. He is an extremely kind person and experienced boat designer and for me was a pleasure and a privilege to get so much information about the boat and boat building in general. Unfortunately I was unable to convince him that a cambered sail would upgrade enormously the performance of his beautiful boats…having not much technical knowledge and experience about sail design and sail making, I suggested him to get in contact with you, Slieve or David T to have a deeper insight into this matter. Now I know that he didn’t….

    Let’s imagine how better this sturdy boats could be with a big cambered sail of yours…or a SJR or a wing sail….:)

    macnaughtongroup.com/Blue_Horizons_30.html

    Cheers 

    Mauro

    Last modified: 21 May 2026 21:48 | Anonymous member
  • 21 May 2026 21:09
    Reply # 13634483 on 13634440
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    James wrote:

    MacNaughton designs, there's an article on one in Yachting Monthly.

    https://www.yachtingworld.com/homepage/extraordinary-boats-hapenny-20-risvold-the-little-junk-rig-that-could-162979


    Fine little boat  -  with an undersize and flat sail.

    This boat will cry out to everyone that junk-rigged boats are helplessly slow...

    Arne

  • 21 May 2026 19:20
    Reply # 13634440 on 13633837
    Anonymous wrote:

    This is a very goo question Guillaume!

    Also in Italy (where I was born) and in Austria (where I live), junk rigged boats are inexistent and considered in best case as exotic, wired experiments.

    By the most yacht sailors I spoke with, a rig other than the bermuda one with shrouds and foresails seems almost not imaginable...even when the most diffuse sailboats in their own yacht clubs are cat boats with unstayed masts and single sprit sails (the Optimist) or Marconi sails (the Laser)!

    Like Paul, I've also found most comments from Bermudan sailors about this issue simply irrational.  

    Anyway, there are a lot of designers that show attraction for the JR, two examples:

    Tom McNaughton (http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/designs.htm)

    ...

    Mauro 

    Regarding the 

    MacNaughton designs, there's an article on one in Yachting Monthly.

    https://www.yachtingworld.com/homepage/extraordinary-boats-hapenny-20-risvold-the-little-junk-rig-that-could-162979

  • 21 May 2026 14:58
    Reply # 13634319 on 13634170
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    In answer to Mauro, I submitted a question on SJR to Chat GPT "What is split junk rig". I was not surprised that it was unable to provide any information on split junk rig but I was horrified that instead of returning no answer, it produced a lengthy spiel of complete rubbish including the confident assumption that the split is horizontal and for all kinds of spurious reasons, plus a lengthy spiel on all the cliche advantages which were of no relevance. That has diminished any credibility I would give to AI as a source of factual material (it has some other impressive uses, but not fact-seeking).

    A Google search did better, and pointed directly to the JRA website and various online articles which were somewhat more relevant.

    Well, a different AI engine called “Claude” did quite a bit better:

    “A split junk rig is a modern variation of the traditional Chinese junk sail, developed primarily by British sailor and designer Slieve McGalliard.  In a standard junk rig, the sail is a single panel supported by full-length horizontal battens. The split junk rig divides that sail into two separate panels — an outer panel (the main working sail) and an inner panel (closer to the mast) — with a gap or slot between them. The mast runs up through this split.” 
  • 21 May 2026 00:39
    Reply # 13634170 on 13633807
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    It is a rather odd questionnaire but easy enough to do, hopefully all members will participate.


    In answer to Mauro, I submitted a question on SJR to Chat GPT"What is split junk rig". I was not surprised that it was unable to provide any information on split junk rig but I was horrified that instead of returning no answer, it produced a lengthy spiel of complete rubbish including the confident assumption that the split is horizontal and for all kinds of spurious reasons, plus a lengthy spiel on all the cliche advantages which were of no relevance. That has diminished any credibility I would give to AI as a source of factual material (it has some other impressive uses, but not fact-seeking).

    A Google search did better, and pointed directly to the JRA website and various online articles which were somewhat more relevant.

    Wikipedia gave a simple definition "Split panel junk sails separate the sail plan in two sections, a main section behind the mast, and a smaller section forward the mast." and continued with some thoughtful and correct insights.

    Last modified: 21 May 2026 00:57 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 20 May 2026 20:57
    Reply # 13634097 on 13633807
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    So have I...

    Edit:
    I’ll add a few ideas here, as they come to mind:

    1.
    The flat sail junks from the seventies and eighties performed much worse to windward than the Bermuda rigs. Everyone could see that. However, these flat sails lasted for ages and were ‘never’ improved with camber, either by using hinged battens or by making new and cambered sails. The result is that the reputation of the JR is bad, and for a good reason. I notice that new flat sails are being made by sailmakers, even today.

    2. Sails are cut as big puzzles from computer programs today. It is unlikely that sail makers (big companies) will invest money on developing expensive programs for cutting out junk sails, since these have gained such a bad press over the years.
    For this reason, the JR will mostly be for home-making (with a few exceptions).


    Last modified: 21 May 2026 08:34 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
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