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A vane gear for Weaverbird

  • 24 Mar 2017 16:06
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    Mark,

     thanks for pointing out. It totally slipped off my mind,  I have seen picture of Oryx's vane before but couldn't get any disruptions or drownings for this type of vane.

    I'll post some pictures when hulls are turned.

     
  • 23 Mar 2017 13:25
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    Vlad,

    Catamarans don't suffer weatherhelm so much and should be well balanced - so you can get away without a servo.  Have a look at Oryx, Pete uses simple horizontal axis vanes (I think I am correct) on his stretched KD860. 

    Look forward to seeing you cat complete,  I am quite a fan of Bernd's designs.  
  • 23 Mar 2017 08:30
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    Karlis Kalnins wrote:Thanks for sharing, David. Am I correct in understanding that the Hebridean concept is that the vane/mount/course wheel rotate (horizontal-ish axis) with the servo blade? Unless I'm reading the dxf wrong, that seems to be the major difference compared to something like the Belcher (and your previous) vanes.

    That's correct. A full discussion of the reason for this can be found at 
    http://www.windvaneselfsteering.co.uk/
    wind-vane-design-features.htm

    The other design feature I see is that the servo seems to be forward-mounted or leading it's pintles (vertical axis). Is this just convenient, or does it confer some advantage?
     
    The vertical axis is set at 23% of the chord of the servo blade, to get enough hydrodynamic balance without risking overbalance. The upper part of the servo blade is deliberately placed forward of the vertical axis to get the mass balance correct. When the structural components are all aft of the axis, weight ought to be artificially added forward of the axis to achieve this. 
  • 22 Mar 2017 23:47
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    Thanks for sharing, David. Am I correct in understanding that the Hebridean concept is that the vane/mount/course wheel rotate (horizontal-ish axis) with the servo blade? Unless I'm reading the dxf wrong, that seems to be the major difference compared to something like the Belcher (and your previous) vanes.


    The other design feature I see is that the servo seems to be forward-mounted or leading it's pintles (vertical axis). Is this just convenient, or does it confer some advantage?
     
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  • 22 Mar 2017 17:38
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    Thanks, David.

    It is a cruising cat. I am building ECO-7.5 designed by  Bernd Kohler stretched to 9 meters. Two hulls are built, getting them ready for the glassing. So it is a bit early stage, just trying to investigate possibilities of using the wind vane on the catamaran.

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  • 22 Mar 2017 07:27
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    Vlad Sokolsky wrote:

    Hi David.

    Very nice job. Do you think this design concept could work on a small (9 m) catamaran? 

    Yes, so long as the catamaran is of the slow, heavy cruising type and not a light racer that accelerates fast; it's rapid changes of apparent wind direction that defeat all vane gears when used on fast multihulls and monohulls. My gear is sized for a 7m boat, and would need scaling up, but otherwise there's no reason why it shouldn't be used on larger boats.
  • 22 Mar 2017 06:18
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    Hi David.

    Very nice job. Do you think this design concept could work on a small (9 m) catamaran? 
  • 21 Mar 2017 13:34
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    David,

    I am able to open the DXF, and now understand how it works.  Once you have it set up with the lines in place, it should be very clear to all. 

    It really is a very simple, yet sophisticated design, excellent work.

     
  • 21 Mar 2017 01:50
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    Darren Bos wrote:

    Paul, I always thought the Cape Horn had some interesting design features.  I think it fits in David's category 4 (servo pendulum, horizontal power axis).  Do you have any thoughts as to what characteristics prevented the Cape Horn from working while you've had success with the Hebridean?  Could it have been as Slieve describes and the servo blade had forward rake?

    Not really, the thing would always only steer in one direction and never the other... It was a brand new unit and for all I know, it may have had a manufacturing fault. However trying to get assistance from a French Canadian in Canada from New Zealand was an exercise in frustration. Had I been hearing I might have had better results via the phone but email was hopeless so in the end I just moved on.
  • 20 Mar 2017 17:26
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    Arne,

    I've dreamed up some of these non-slip sheave designs for continuous lines, but they're not needed in this case: When using a primary cord linkage, there can only be less than 360 degrees of adjustment (obviously), so the course adjusting lines can go through holes at the bottom of the groove  with stopper knots tied in a recess inside the sheave.

    Mark,

    The drawing is now here , but be aware that it is by no means a "Recipe" that can be used to build one, without knowing anything about vane gears. It's purpose was simply to develop the geometry of the mechanism. 

    A cloth vane on a frame may develop a little bit of camber. But it doesn't matter if it doesn't. 

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