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  • 03 Sep 2017 08:26
    Reply # 5061019 on 5056827
    David, I would choose plywood/epoxy myself, every time.  However, because Brett was talking about having a junk built for him, I suggested carvel.  I truly believe that to get a boat of similar standard and longevity, there would be fewer hours in a carvel boat.  Coating wood with multiple layers of epoxy and filleting all those corners takes a lot of hours, all of which have to be charged out.  Moreover, f you were having a carvel boat built, you could well be able to persuade the builder to let you do all the interior painting - or even all the painting, which would save many, many hours of labour.  But epoxy has to be applied while the boat is being built.
  • 03 Sep 2017 06:41
    Reply # 5061001 on 5056827
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    Brett Sadgrove wrote:


    Hello,

    I was thinking/dreaming about getting a junk built here in New Zealand. Has anyone had experience with this? I was thinking of the JDP 9M Minijonque. I do not have the space/shelter and the mental fortitude to complete such a task, so was thinking about getting one built. I know that the marine industry is insanely expensive, but thought I'd just see if anyone has been through this experience.





    Hello Brett,

    There are quite good designs available at around the 9 metre or shorter length. Annie's new build is a good example, and there is a smaller version of my own boat. I would probably disagree with Annie about carvel construction, being a fan of plywood and epoxy boats, and the longevity of properly built boats which have been coated with epoxy, but Annie is right about the huge amount of time involved, but that applies to any well built boat. I also wonder how easy it would be to get good quality timber at anything like a reasonable cost in the quantity required for carvel construction. Strip plank construction is another way of building a boat which does not require such good quality timber but once again there is a lot of glue work involved, and usually sheathing with fibreglass on the exterior at least.

    Any custom built boat is going to cost a great deal of money. It would almost be better to look for a an existing boat which you could retrofit to a junk rig, but those are hard to find which I think is the reason Annie is building from scratch. You could also purchase an existing junk rig yacht such as Paul Thompson's La Chica which is a very well sorted boat and is currently for sale. 

    I see on your Profile that you are keen to do some junk rig sailing. I would be happy to take you out anytime which might help you get some idea of what these junks are all about.

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  • 31 Aug 2017 09:03
    Reply # 5057387 on 5056827
    I'm building my own wood/epoxy boat up in Whangarei.  I know a good boatbuilder, here in Whangarei, who would probably be as cheap as anyone in the country (who has his own workshop).  He can do most things but learnt his trade on carvel boats.  Personally, if I were going to get a boat built, I would go for conventional carvel rather than wood/epoxy.  The only way the latter works is if you use multiple coats of epoxy on everything.  I am building in a boatyard and occasionally the guys who work here come round to have a look.  They nearly all comment on the fact that the wood is so well coated: in short, if you are paying wages, you can't afford to pay someone to apply all those coats of epoxy.  If you don't apply all those coats of epoxy, your investment is compromised.  If you are at all concerned about the price of the boat - or the builder feels it's taking too long - this is the first place that they'll start cutting corners.  I have seen several professionally-built hulls that would bear out this theory.
  • 30 Aug 2017 23:35
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    Hello,

    I was thinking/dreaming about getting a junk built here in New Zealand. Has anyone had experience with this? I was thinking of the JDP 9M Minijonque. I do not have the space/shelter and the mental fortitude to complete such a task, so was thinking about getting one built. I know that the marine industry is insanely expensive, but thought I'd just see if anyone has been through this experience.


    Cheers




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