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S2 6.7 Junk Rig Conversion

  • 09 Mar 2020 19:19
    Reply # 8813597 on 6872873

    Do you have any FRP tube dimensions to recommend? I recall PJR and the JRA some specific people on this forum expressing their personal opinions suggesting that fiberglass/polyester tubes were not strong enough adequate for use as battens.

    My sail is 237 sq ft and I will need battens just a little more than 12 feet long.

    Last modified: 09 Mar 2020 20:44 | Anonymous member
  • 09 Mar 2020 18:52
    Reply # 8812447 on 6872873

    You might also do a search for "pultruded FRP tubes" to see how they compare with aluminum tubes where you are. Here's one such source.

  • 09 Mar 2020 18:31
    Reply # 8812247 on 8810273
    David wrote:
    Scott wrote:

    David can you tell me, please, is your advice on making carbon fiber tubes still "Don't do it" ?

    It's more like "Don't Do It!" Yes, CFRP tubes are great, when made with the correct resin, tooling and methods, and with an autoclave to post-cure, but it's too hard to do all that reliably at home.

    OK. I will try to get myself mentally prepared to make at least one more aluminum purchase. After so many years of saving money 'for the boat' I find it hard to spend money, even on the boat.

  • 09 Mar 2020 13:20
    Reply # 8810273 on 8810170
    Scott wrote:

    I still need to get some battens and a yard somehow. I started watching videos on how to lay up carbon fiber and epoxy tubing at home. After that I found David's topic about his efforts to make CFRP battens.

    David can you tell me, please, is your advice on making carbon fiber tubes still "Don't do it" ?

    It's more like "Don't Do It!" Yes, CFRP tubes are great, when made with the correct resin, tooling and methods, and with an autoclave to post-cure, but it's too hard to do all that reliably at home.
  • 09 Mar 2020 12:43
    Reply # 8810170 on 6872873

    I spent part of the weekend gluing fir plywood where the balsa core was before. I hope to have the structural part of the mast partners done sometime before the end of the month.

    Last week I think I made progress on getting a tapered pole ordered. The lead time ended up being a little less than I expected.

    I still need to get some battens and a yard somehow. I started watching videos on how to lay up carbon fiber and epoxy tubing at home. After that I found David's topic about his efforts to make a CFRP battens.

    David can you tell me, please, is your advice on making carbon fiber tubes still "Don't do it" ?


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  • 24 Feb 2020 16:08
    Reply # 8766586 on 6872873

    Thank you Graham and David.

  • 24 Feb 2020 12:05
    Reply # 8766239 on 6872873

    When I built Tystie, some of the tube work was too big for the anodising bath, so it got powder coated. Over several years, the coating started bubbling where the water had got behind it (the anodised tubes stayed good).

    Weaverbird has an untreated mast, and it is staying good above deck. A natural oxide film forms in the presence of dry air and the absence of any electrolysis; anodising is simply a speeded-up, controlled version of this oxidation process. Below decks in the forepeak, there is some salting on the surface due to a damper, stiller atmosphere, but I don't think it's doing any harm. For a better cosmetic appearance in an inhabited forecabin, it could be painted with etch primer then enamel.

    Sailing on a fresh water lake, there's little or nor reason to paint or anodise an aluminium mast.

    Last modified: 24 Feb 2020 12:08 | Anonymous member
  • 24 Feb 2020 01:32
    Reply # 8765569 on 8765208
    Anonymous wrote:

    I been procrastinating. Some more important things needed attention but honestly I think I have been lazy, too.

    Anyway it seems I need to order an alloy lamp post right now so that the 12 week lead time does not use up ALL of the summer.

    Does anyone have an opinion on white powder coat vs unfinished aluminum alloy?

    I think the powder coat would be good initially. I would expect less friction and fewer stains from oxidation. But in the long run I have no idea how I would refinish a powder coated mast once the original finish is warn through. 


    I prefer an unpainted mast.  It does not need to be anodised either.  Arion's mast was not anodised and looked fine after almost a decade when we parted company last year.  My new boat has a raw alloy tube that is 35 years old and looks just fine.  You will eventually have to repaint if you choose the powder-coated option, and there is the possibility of corrosion being accelerated if the powder coating cracks and moisture gets trapped behind. Though usually the paint either falls off or is worn off, and the remaining surface stabilises like unpainted alloy.  It just looks messy. 
    Last modified: 24 Feb 2020 01:35 | Anonymous member
  • 23 Feb 2020 20:21
    Reply # 8765208 on 6872873

    I have been procrastinating. Some more important things needed attention but honestly I think I have been lazy, too.

    Anyway it seems I need to order an alloy lamp post right now so that the 12 week lead time does not use up ALL of the summer.

    Does anyone have an opinion on white powder coat vs unfinished aluminum alloy?

    I think the powder coat would be good initially. I would expect less friction and fewer stains from oxidation. But in the long run I have no idea how I would refinish a powder coated mast once the original finish is warn through. 

    Last modified: 15 Mar 2020 16:52 | Anonymous member
  • 12 Dec 2019 23:30
    Reply # 8259382 on 8211324
    Annie wrote:

    You might find a multitool is a good choice for this job, Scott.

    I do not like spending money on tools and finding some place to keep even more stuff.

    But -- the multitool was a very good idea. It is amazing how it will cut through wood with just a little pressure but at the same time if you accidentally bump your hand it doesn't do any damage. I should have started with this. The de-coring part of the work is moving along much faster and with better results now.


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