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Hartley TS16 project "Redwing ll"

  • 15 Feb 2021 08:41
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    Reply # 10098331 on 10098312
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    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm

    Thanks David,  I did look at that site and liked the colour. I  thought it would be too light, I guess not. :)

    That would be perfect but like I said, you will need to pay attention to the reinforcements.  

    BTW, Weathermax LT is 6oz and still rather too heavy.  One of the big mistakes in many junk sails is that the cloth is too heavy. Of course it let's you get away with sloppy sail making techniques but you pay when your light air performance goes out the window.

    I'd also urge you to use the shelf foot method to build the shape into the panels. If you need, I can work out the shapes for you.


    I'm game but you will have to walk me through the process. :)
    For sure.

    Where do we start? I can't buy the material till next month though.
    Last modified: 15 Feb 2021 10:31 | Anonymous member
  • 15 Feb 2021 08:31
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    Reply # 10098312 on 10098261
    Anonymous member
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm

    Thanks David,  I did look at that site and liked the colour. I  thought it would be too light, I guess not. :)

    That would be perfect but like I said, you will need to pay attention to the reinforcements.  

    BTW, Weathermax LT is 6oz and still rather too heavy.  One of the big mistakes in many junk sails is that the cloth is too heavy. Of course it let's you get away with sloppy sail making techniques but you pay when your light air performance goes out the window.

    I'd also urge you to use the shelf foot method to build the shape into the panels. If you need, I can work out the shapes for you.


    I'm game but you will have to walk me through the process. :)
    For sure.
  • 15 Feb 2021 08:17
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    Reply # 10098261 on 10097049
    Anonymous member
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm

    Thanks David,  I did look at that site and liked the colour. I  thought it would be too light, I guess not. :)

    That would be perfect but like I said, you will need to pay attention to the reinforcements.  

    BTW, Weathermax LT is 6oz and still rather too heavy.  One of the big mistakes in many junk sails is that the cloth is too heavy. Of course it let's you get away with sloppy sail making techniques but you pay when your light air performance goes out the window.

    I'd also urge you to use the shelf foot method to build the shape into the panels. If you need, I can work out the shapes for you.


    I'm game but you will have to walk me through the process. :)
  • 15 Feb 2021 07:13
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    Reply # 10098049 on 10087530
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    Here's a low res image of the sail plan, which might help.

    The sail area is 16.7 sq m.

    Information taken from NZ Trailer Yacht Association website

    https://www.nztya.nz/designs-d-j.html

    the page is a bit untidy, -- select "Hartley Pg 3"

    or click here

    I am away from home at present but can get some better images later if you want.

    This used to be an iconic NZ design, most of them home built, but few people build anything these days and you don't see so many around now. It was one of the first trailer yachts around, and I think it was this design of Richard Hartley's which gave us the term "trailer sailer".

    Good luck with it.


    Last modified: 15 Feb 2021 07:24 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 15 Feb 2021 01:43
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    Reply # 10097049 on 10096134
    Anonymous member
    Anonymous wrote:
    Anonymous wrote:

    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm

    Thanks David,  I did look at that site and liked the colour. I  thought it would be too light, I guess not. :)

    That would be perfect but like I said, you will need to pay attention to the reinforcements.  

    BTW, Weathermax LT is 6oz and still rather too heavy.  One of the big mistakes in many junk sails is that the cloth is too heavy. Of course it let's you get away with sloppy sail making techniques but you pay when your light air performance goes out the window.

    I'd also urge you to use the shelf foot method to build the shape into the panels. If you need, I can work out the shapes for you.
  • 14 Feb 2021 21:26
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    Reply # 10096134 on 10094814
    Anonymous member
    Anonymous wrote:

    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm

    Thanks David,  I did look at that site and liked the colour. I  thought it would be too light, I guess not. :)
  • 14 Feb 2021 10:02
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    Reply # 10094814 on 10087530
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    For this boat, basically a dinghy with a cuddy, 2oz ripstop would be fine. Storm spinnaker or code zero cloth, as Paul says.

    Maybe this would suit you?

     https://fabrictraders.com.au/ripstop-nylon-fabric-in-burgundy-90cm
  • 14 Feb 2021 08:15
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    Reply # 10094701 on 10087530
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    It will need a bit of work and there's some modifications I'd like but this is the new boat. I won't have it till April but now I know what it looks like.

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  • 13 Feb 2021 10:38
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    Reply # 10091446 on 10087530
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    Would this do?

    210 denier nylon.

    210 denier nylon

    Last modified: 13 Feb 2021 10:50 | Anonymous member
  • 13 Feb 2021 10:25
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    Reply # 10091430 on 10091209
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    I liked working with Weathermax and I like the end result.  They make a Weathermax LT, which might be worth investigating.  If you decide to cover the sail against UV, why not just use a nice, soft cotton?


    I'm looking at ripstop nylon but it's all very light weight, generally under 2oz.
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