Junk rigged H 28

  • 15 Jan 2022 05:03
    Reply # 12263369 on 12118911

    Thanks, Annie.  If I can get back to Moreton Bay, which I hope to do by April, where I can legally lie on my anchor for more than 28 days, and my health permits me to do so, then I should be able to start rebuilding the kitty.  I'll spend about 8-9 months a year on anchor then either go into a marina or up on the hard to fix things.  And save for a new junk rig! I'll just have to see how it goes.  The passage back to Qld will be risky, but with Barry Lewis on board, master jury-rigger and veteran ocean voyager, I'll be in the best hands possible. 

    I have already started thinking about  the mast.  I would buy something off the shelf if I could, but do not expect to be that lucky.  I basically got the last suitable section in Australia (imported from France) for Arion.  I have found a  6m X 200mm diameter alloy tube with  6mm wall, and would put a timber topmast in it.  Just dreaming about this makes me feel a bit better, even if it is out of reach.

    Last modified: 15 Jan 2022 05:09 | Anonymous member
  • 15 Jan 2022 02:30
    Reply # 12263218 on 12118911
    Take good care of yourself, Graham.  I am so sorry about this boat - and even sorrier about the so-called friend who sounds as though he should be keel-hauled.  Fingers crossed that your luck will soon turn for the better.
  • 14 Jan 2022 22:33
    Reply # 12262953 on 12118911

    Thanks, David T, for your good wishes.  My major problem, apart from being unsure whether I have enough energy for another serious boat project, is that I do not have sufficient funds.  I am close to being in a situation where I am waiting for my next pension cheque, a dismal situation.  I am also struggling psychologically, having thrown away a well-sorted independent cruising lifestyle.  Luckily, some good friends are looking after me at the moment.  I will just have to take each day as it comes. 

    I enjoy seeing your short vids of your catamaran zipping about the place like a water dragon.  Looks like fun.   

  • 14 Jan 2022 04:22
    Reply # 12261230 on 12256465
    Deleted user
    Graham wrote:

    A short update on my H 28 project.  I took over the boat on 22 December.  In fact, if the seller, who shared a close mutual friend with me, and was, I had been advised, eminently trustworthy, had honoured his agreement to refund my money if I was not satisfied, I would not have taken over the boat.  I found he had misrepresented the condition of the vessel, and it is in need of a a refit, including rebuilding the rudder.  I find myself stuck in a city that no longer permits DIY in most boatyards, with little spare cash, tools in storage a long way away, and a boat project. 

    As a result of my foolishness, I expect not be be very active, either on the website or in the pages of the magazine, for a couple of years or so.  I have one more article that I have initiated and want to try and finish, but cannot see beyond that for now.  I am going to miss writing for the magazine, but expect to be pre-occupied for some time sorting out this disaster.  I hope to get back to you all eventually.  In the meantime, I will try and get this boat operational, and dream of the day I can once again hoist a junk sail.  Fair winds to you all until then. 


    Sorry to hear of your bad luck with the new boat, it must seem like such an uphill battle at this stage to get back to where you want to be boat and rig-wise. I think it is one of the NZ H28 yachts you have bought? At least they are a proven design with circumnavigations and many offshore Pacific cruises successfully undertaken in these boats. I hope you are able to get into a more positive situation in the not too far distant future. David
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  • 12 Jan 2022 04:32
    Reply # 12256465 on 12118911

    A short update on my H 28 project.  I took over the boat on 22 December.  In fact, if the seller, who shared a close mutual friend with me, and was, I had been advised, eminently trustworthy, had honoured his agreement to refund my money if I was not satisfied, I would not have taken over the boat.  I found he had misrepresented the condition of the vessel, and it is in need of a a refit, including rebuilding the rudder.  I find myself stuck in a city that no longer permits DIY in most boatyards, with little spare cash, tools in storage a long way away, and a boat project. 

    Luckily, I have a steadfast and experienced friend here, Barry, son of the late Dr David Lewis, who was a good friend of Blondie's and fellow-competitor in the 1960 Singlehanded Transatlantic Race, who is helping me.  We plan to jury rig the rudder, do a rigging check (it is currently bermudan rigged) and try and limp up the coast to my home waters in Queensland, where I can lie on my anchor unmolested by officialdom (living aboard and anchoring for more than 28 days in any given year are forbidden in New South Wales) and work on my own boat in friendly boatyards.  My advice to impoverished sailing vagabonds: Do Not come to New South Wales, Sydney and surrounding waters in particular.

    It is going to be a long time before I can afford to put a junk rig on the boat, maybe two or more years, and there is so much else to do as well, though the hull and deck are sound, plus the engine and electrical system are in first-class order.  I am regretting my rash decision to sell Blue Moon.  I should have hung on for another couple of years, then bought a bigger boat I could both afford and inspect before purchasing.  I am not at all enthusiastic, either, about the bermudan rig, with its flapping sails, high tensions and dozens of connective bits.  Especially a tired bermudan rig like this one!

    As a result of my foolishness, I expect not be be very active, either on the website or in the pages of the magazine, for a couple of years or so.  I have one more article that I have initiated and want to try and finish, but cannot see beyond that for now.  I am going to miss writing for the magazine, but expect to be pre-occupied for some time sorting out this disaster.  I hope to get back to you all eventually.  In the meantime, I will try and get this boat operational, and dream of the day I can once again hoist a junk sail.  Fair winds to you all until then. 


    Last modified: 12 Jan 2022 04:54 | Anonymous member
  • 12 Nov 2021 21:46
    Reply # 12122871 on 12121879
    Arne wrote:

    In Norway we don't have an operational word for Sir.

    Interesting;  language says a lot about culture.  I don't know much about Norway, but what I like, judging from the pictures I have seen, is how beautifully many of the buildings are painted, even simple barns.  That says something, too.
  • 12 Nov 2021 15:32
    Reply # 12121879 on 12118911
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Graham,
    I'm sure I had nothing to do with that SJR H28 thread. He clearly must have borrowed one of the master sails, which is fine with me  -  that's the whole idea with it.

    The fact that he "Sired" me made me smile. I can't say I am a particularly proud man, and not that proud of being a Norwegian either. Still, I am proud of this:

    In Norway we don't have an operational word for Sir.

    Arne

    PS: Sometimes, like here, the search facility on the Member's Area didn't find that SJR H18  thread. Then I went to HOME and used the Google search at the bottom of the page. That worked.

  • 11 Nov 2021 23:44
    Reply # 12120243 on 12119209
    Arne wrote:

    Graham
    I can't remember to have drawn any rig for a H28 on Nz. It appears that the fellow has printed out a sail from my stack of master sails and then stuck it to that boat plan. Like you, I would not have positioned the sail that low, and I would most probably have chosen a taller sail as well...


    Arne


    Arne, I must have misunderstood what he said (topic titled SJR H28, Technical Forum), but I thought he'd been having difficulty getting the sail in the right place and you offered a solution.  I think he even thanked you!  But maybe that was for providing your wonderful files as a resource.  The batten length on Arion was 4.6m, so the sail's aspect-ratio was a little higher, and it worked splendidly.  If I ever start the project, I'll review my options seriously.  By that time, I'd have sailed the boat for a couple of seasons and will have a better idea of what I want.  The bermudan sloop rig has a reputation for being superbly balanced, allowing finger-tip control of the tiller at all times, and even the ability to walk away from the helm for periods of time.  I'd want to retain that quality.
    Last modified: 11 Nov 2021 23:45 | Anonymous member
  • 11 Nov 2021 15:56
    Reply # 12119209 on 12118911
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Graham
    I can't remember to have drawn any rig for a H28 on Nz. It appears that the fellow has printed out a sail from my stack of master sails and then stuck it to that boat plan. Like you, I would not have positioned the sail that low, and I would most probably have chosen a taller sail as well...


    Arne


    Last modified: 11 Nov 2021 18:52 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 11 Nov 2021 13:35
    Message # 12118911

    I noticed on the JRA fora that Arne designed a junk rig for the New Zealand version of the H 28 (same as my new boat) a couple of years ago.  (See drawing below).  I suspect it may not have been built, as the person who posted originally is now noted as a 'deleted user', meaning, I assume, that he is no longer a member of the JRA, and I can find no further posts.  I have copied the drawing to file away, although, sadly, it will be probably be three years before I can consider doing a conversion, since I am now totally broke, nada, skint, empty pockets!  And I need an anchor winch first.  I may even have to invest in new SS rigging wire to get sailing offshore.  If I ever find myself with $10K in my pocket, I will consider the idea.  I am not looking forward to sailing under bermudan rig again, but I wanted this boat badly, and that is the price, for now.

    I like the rig Arne designed for the H 28.  It is almost identical to the one I had on Arion, both in design criteria and sail area.  I know it would work beautifully.  The sail I fitted to Blue Moon, with its low-angled yard, handles very nicely, too, and seems to have little stress on it, though this is probably a result of the beautiful craftsmanship in Paul Thompson's sail, especially the strong tablings at luff and leach.  The angle of the yard, for me, is simply a function of how much balance you need in the sail, and this is related to mast position.  On Blue Moon, the mast was a bit too far aft, and required as much sail area forward of the mast as possible (22-25%).  On the H 28, the only place the mast can go is a foot or so forward of the coachroof, on the foredeck, and this dictates about 10% balance, where a high-angled yard is appropriate.

    The only thing I would change with Arne's drawing is to raise the sail up vertically by about 400mm, as I like the tack to be higher off the deck, both to clear the lifelines and pulpit (I don't want to remove them), and so I can easily go forward along the windward deck to the bows at sea when running with the sail squared out.  I like to sit in the pulpit and admire the view as the boat thunders along before the waves.  That would raise the CE when the sail is fully hoisted but the boat has a very high ballast ratio, plus the CE comes down when you reef.

    Anyway, it is just a dream for now.

    View enlarged image here.



    Last modified: 11 Nov 2021 13:40 | Anonymous member
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