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Junk rig conversion of foldable rowing boat

  • 07 Jul 2026 11:47
    Reply # 13650499 on 13291754

    Hi Jan,

    not quite. The advantage of the junk rig in this respect is the amount of sturdy battens, and that the leech is pulled rather tight. The battens hinder the canvas from moving excessively. A flat cut sail should just feather out, and barely move at all. A cambered sail like Ilvy's or your main panels (mainlets) have a bit of slack in themselves due to the camber, but still the stiff batten and tight leech hinder almost any movement. Two days ago I sailed in a steady F7-8, and for reefing I let the sail feather out completely. A bermudan sail would have been torn apart in seconds, while the cambered junk rig moved a tiny little bit, barely noticeable and totally silent. I think that's a huge safety factor for sail handling, and one major point why reefing is so much better with the junk rig.


    Now, the jiblets of the SJR don't have tight leeches, as they must allow airflow between jiblet and mainlet. They will flutter. I don't think it's a bad thing, it's simply a compromise: you get more performance, more drive, but you deal in the advantage of non-flutter sails... Horses for Courses (did I say that right?)

    Paul

    Last modified: 07 Jul 2026 12:15 | Anonymous member
  • 06 Jul 2026 22:51
    Reply # 13650390 on 13291754

    Hi Paul !

    Maybe I'm missing something, but i think, that every sail (except rigid foils) reaches a point where it starts to flap. Isn't this a natural phenomenon when tacking or easing the sheets? When a sail "feathers" (sets itself in the wind's line / aligns with the wind) – given the right wind strength – it always flaps, right? 

    Until now, I thought it was such a natural phenomenon that it didn't require discussion. Now I'm not sure anymore, so I'd love to see how a non-split junk sail behaves when tacking or easing the sail. Unfortunately, I haven't found many videos showing this situation. Only Pango (at 1:39)

    Either way, the question is interesting...

    Best regards - Jan

    Last modified: 07 Jul 2026 00:41 | Anonymous member
  • 06 Jul 2026 10:32
    Reply # 13650130 on 13291754

    Thanks, Jan! Of course the flapping jiblets remove the advantage of noiseless tacks from the junk rig... But I guess they aren't too loud, and the flap can be accepted?

  • 04 Jul 2026 18:14
    Reply # 13649849 on 13291754

    If anyone is interested, the gif below shows the moment the jiblets flap in the SJR sail. Click the image below.

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  • 12 Jun 2026 23:13
    Reply # 13642421 on 13291754

    I think it replaces a thousand words

    Last modified: 12 Jun 2026 23:24 | Anonymous member
  • 12 Jun 2026 22:29
    Reply # 13642408 on 13291754
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Excellent

  • 12 Jun 2026 17:55
    Reply # 13642311 on 13291754

    I like :-)

    Last modified: 12 Jun 2026 17:56 | Anonymous member
  • 12 Jun 2026 13:44
    Reply # 13642166 on 13291754

    I can't resist posting an animated GIF showing how easy it is to drop a junk sail when sailing downwind.

    (EDIT: click on the image below:)

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    Last modified: 12 Jun 2026 21:55 | Anonymous member
  • 28 May 2026 10:57
    Reply # 13636583 on 13291754

    Thanks to all of you, this is exactly what I need to install.

    I'm used to stiff parrels with beads because they work so well. The Yard is designed as a tube inserted into a pocket, so I'll have to figure out how to conveniently attach the parrel to the Yard's pocket. Being able to drop the sail quickly is very important to me, so this parrel needs to be well thought out to prevent it from getting stuck at the mast joint.

    ...

    I tried to post a GIF file, but probably  it was too large. Are you sure it's possible, Paul?

    Cheers - Jan

    EDIT: Paul, it worked! But the GIF has to be smaller than 1Mb. (Almost 1 floppy disc ;-) probably)

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    Last modified: 28 May 2026 12:36 | Anonymous member
  • 28 May 2026 10:34
    Reply # 13636581 on 13636543
    Graeme wrote:

    Jan, If it is just to hold the yard close to the mast, you can just use a soft standing parrel there. (No need for a running YHP). That is what I have found on my Amiina NM2 rig. Or, as you suggest, one of your "rigid parrels".

    Although the yard is standing away from the mast (in your photo) the sail looks to be setting nicely without a yard hauling parrel, so the YHP is not needed to make the sail set properly. I find the same with my Amiina sail. But I did decide later to put a standing parrel there, just for safety sake and to keep everything tighter.

    It has been suggested (By David if I recall) that a much larger version of the Amiina sail might need a YHP. I can't see why a simple standing parrel would not be enough, as it is with the small size sail - but I defer to David's experience and see no harm in it anyway, just another rope to adjust whenever you reef or unreef, that's all.

    For the record, Arne has expressed doubts about rigid fittings of this type, and although he designed a very nice rigid parrel concept, he has told me that he has doubts about it. It needs to be recorded that the rigid type has been proved successful on your boat and on the Serenity of Steve D, but as these are relatively small rigs, we should not assume that the idea is appropriate for a larger ocean-going sail, until the concept has been tried and proven. (Thomas might try the idea? If so, he would be pioneering).

    I don’t see a need for a yard hauling parrel, Graeme. A standing parrel should be enough.

    Though perhaps (especially for large offshore sails) there’s a case to be made for a standing yard parrel based on PJR fig 3.34 - a short length of batten tube plus fendering material, that will permit sufficient fore and aft movement of the yard relative to the mast, while limiting athwartships movement more than a soft standing parrel does. 

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