Junk rig conversion of foldable rowing boat

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  • 29 Aug 2024 10:59
    Reply # 13399245 on 13291754
    Back to the topic of “Stasha” – probably due to Health and Safety I cannot laminate in my garage.
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  • 29 Aug 2024 10:23
    Reply # 13399240 on 13291754

    Ups ! I must have made some linguistic slip? It's not hard to make such a slip in an international environment. I guess that was a bit funny... Fortunately, junkers are tolerant and have a sense of humor! Sorry !  It would certainly be safest to sit "on my bottom" in front of a computer and do keyboard sailing.

    But indeed - after tacking, gybing, all I need to do is move the lower part of my body across the floor of the boat from side to side.

    The idea of ​​a bean bag sounds interesting!

    Regards !

    PS however, it's good that google translator can't read "what the author means"

    Last modified: 29 Aug 2024 14:35 | Anonymous member
  • 29 Aug 2024 01:31
    Reply # 13399132 on 13291754
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    Jan wrote: However, apropos sitting on the bottom – in my boat I usually sit on the bottom (metacenter), but sometimes I have the opportunity to stretch my legs when the wind is not too strong and I do not have to pay attention to ballasting.

    The ability to stretch your legs on such a small boat is really important, believe me!

    I am getting too old now for sailing in dinghies. Seating, and moving from one side to the other is now a problem for me. I have in recent years been happy to sit on the floorboards in the middle and just be internal ballast - indeed, this is how ladies and gentlemen should sail in a proper, civilised, cruising dinghy. But at my age now, if I sit on the floor, it is getting difficult to stand up from that position. Thankfully a junk sail can easily be scandalised, hoisted, handed, reefed, dropped, topped up or shaken out without the need for one to "move one's bottom".

    I have decided to try out an idea which I first saw suggested by John Welsford - the use of a "bean bag". 

    I was going to make one, but I found two stoutly-made outdoor bean bags for sale in a furniture shop for less than I would have to pay for the polystyrene "beans" so I bought them both. They can go in any position and, like a pillow, can take up any shape. They will be luxuriously comfortable. Nicer than floorboards to kneel on too!

    It would also be good to think about some buoyancy tanks. With two of them on board, there would be enough to make a mattress for sleeping. Not only that, they will make effective flotation in an emergency (a life raft or buoyancy for a dinghy?).

    A bean bag is nothing more than a shapeless, cloth bag loosely filled with polystyrene buttons. (Horrible stuff, but you might be able to help save the planet by recycling someone else's packaging waste. Wear a mask if cutting or breaking up lumps of it).

    My beanbags look to me like an excellent proposition, though at the moment I don't know when I am going to be able to try one.

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  • 28 Aug 2024 16:29
    Reply # 13398870 on 13291754

    Instead of enjoying the last warm days of the year, I have to stay indoors and swallow aspirin. Kismet! I hope I can use at least the beginning of next week, when it is supposed to be relatively warm. It seems that the next days like this will not be for half a year or even longer!!!

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    Indeed, I have heard something about the "skin on frame" technology. I even watched this film once.

    I found a supplier of materials in Poland

    and another designer and probably a supplier (in Germany). There is also a project of a slightly larger boat, with a centerboard case, although I like the pram, i.e. Stasha, more.

    I don't know if it is possible to combine this material and how to repair any damage.

    Maybe it would be possible to find cheaper materials, I haven't looked yet. If the boat (Stasha) were to weigh 10 kg (i.e. halves of about 5 kg), then there really wouldn't be a problem with taking it off the roof rack.

    I don't really know how strong the board attachment is. One side (center?)board. Hmm. I sailed with one board, because I happened to lose and sink one, so before I made a new one from an old rudder blade - I sailed with one. It's possible, but still a bit less comfortable.

    It would also be good to think about some buoyancy tanks. These could be inflatable tanks, tied to the outside of the sides, or possibly short internal tanks to be attached inside the boat by the sides. You could lean on them while sitting inside.

    However, apropos sitting on the bottom – in my boat I usually sit on the bottom (metacenter), but sometimes I have the opportunity to stretch my legs when the wind is not too strong and I do not have to pay attention to ballasting.

    The ability to stretch your legs on such a small boat is really important, believe me!

    That's why I was thinking about something similar to the Seahopper. There are similar designs for amateur construction. In such a boat, you could even think about a 1-2 day camp with a tent on the boom. My modifications would consist of adding inflatable buoyancy tanks mounted on the outside, and an additional PVC skin on top of all that, which would provide basic waterproofing and extra stiffness.

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    So as not to tire you - I will end my post here, although I am preparing a further, more detailed part, although I do not have all the details well thought out yet. If I had everything thought out already, I would simply start building right after the season.


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  • 27 Aug 2024 23:17
    Reply # 13398601 on 13398499

    The designer, Benjy, is an experienced and well respected boat builder. I'm sure he'll answer your questions if you send him an email.

    I think the technique was inspired by lightweight canoes. It uses Kevlar twine and Dacron heat-shrink fabric (typically used to build light aircrafts) that is coated with paint or varnish to make it waterproof. That's one downside: You have to coat it every year.

    I can't find videos or reviews of the Stasha either. The Sam Holmes video you linked to does have a second part, here. He seemed happy with it, but wondered how long it would last. Later he chose an inflatable dinghy before crossing the Atlantic. I think he would have been interested in yours!

    Customers in the gallery seem happy with the Stasha though, and there's this well documented project.

    It would be a good project for me to learn epoxy and woodworking techniques, and to make a tiny junk sail before doing a full JR conversion of a sailboat. It's pretty much a nesting Optimist dinghy. It has a similar shape and size and is designed to take an Optimist rudder and rig.

    I like the Seahoppers too. The Fliptail also uses PVC fabric, but much less wood. I think it looks nicer than Stasha and maybe sails better, but is too clunky when folded.

    It's always good to look at different designs for inspiration :)

    Last modified: 27 Aug 2024 23:36 | Anonymous member
  • 27 Aug 2024 21:11
    Reply # 13398499 on 13291754

    Interesting design (Stasha). I've seen it a few times, but I didn't focus on it because the technology is not well-known.

    Do you know anything more about the company (apart from the website address), how many units were made and has anyone tested the boat in more detail?

    There aren't many videos, the only video of the construction (from 4 years ago) that I found ended halfway through (part 2 missing).

    Someone could probably also have a lot of complaints about my boat, but I've already tested it on a much smaller lake and I think I've learned its weak points, which I've mostly eliminated (unfortunately, not all of them).

    I'm thinking about building something similar to a seahopper with various modifications. Or possibly introducing modifications to the current boat.

    Last modified: 27 Aug 2024 21:12 | Anonymous member
  • 27 Aug 2024 10:17
    Reply # 13398189 on 13291754

    There's also Fliptail and Origami. Not inflatable but definitely foldable. I'm considering building a Stasha, which is not foldable but nestable (on deck), and making a small lug/junk sail for it. All three are self-build designs by the brilliant Wooden Widget.

    I'm even thinking the sail rig could double as a mizzen on the transom of the mother boat when anchored, to prevent it from sailing around. Maybe it could even work as a large self-steering "windvane" (inspired by David Omick)? I like stacking functions, as they say in permaculture.

    Last modified: 27 Aug 2024 11:06 | Anonymous member
  • 27 Aug 2024 08:53
    Reply # 13398180 on 13398038

    We don't see these transportable boats sailing in New Zealand.

    You won't see one here either, it's a relic now, almost everyone sails on bigger and bigger GRP boats. Folding sailboats were probably a niche product everywhere. But if you look around, you'll definitely find a folding sailboat, oh I've already found one - e.g. Tiwal

    Thanks for the wishes, I wish you good luck and good health too!


  • 26 Aug 2024 22:42
    Reply # 13398038 on 13291754
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    As for my boat - you have to remember that it is not a pontoon. It is a skeleton construction. 

    Yes. I just thought that a "pontoon boat" (I think that is the same as what we call an inflatable) has something in common with the skeleton construction of your boat - and that is, they both present a challenge to find a suitable structure to support leeboards and free standing mast. 

    The videos are interesting. We don't see these transportable boats sailing in New Zealand. We are lucky, access to lakes and the coast is relatively easier here. I find it interesting that people adapt ideas to suit their circumstances and their needs.

    Good luck in your quest for a little sailboat you can transport and rig easily, and enjoy the lake.

    Last modified: 26 Aug 2024 23:37 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 26 Aug 2024 22:13
    Reply # 13398028 on 13291754

    Hi Graeme, thanks for the info!

    Luckily I already have a well-functioning junk sail for my folding boat.

    After the sailing season ends (i.e. - not before October) I will try to focus on solving the last two conditions you quoted - durability and short preparation time.

    I have never been a DIY enthusiast, but now as a retiree I have found that DIY is a very inspiring activity. I have learned a lot of interesting techniques and I am trying to learn some more.

    As for my boat - you have to remember that it is not a pontoon. It is a skeleton construction. I suggest watching the film (from five years ago, i.e. before the invasion), in which testers (from Russia or Ukraine, I am not sure) - test the original version (i.e. rowing). You can choose automatic translation of the subtitles into any language.

    Pay attention to minute 9:52, when the young woman lifts this boat up. Of course, my sailing version is heavier, but the hull is much stiffer than the pontoon and very light. Unfortunately, it also has its weaknesses - it is quite delicate and preparation for sailing takes a long time.

    Interesting facts - Another foldable sailboat (Mewa 2, Mewa 3) was produced in Poland (before Perestroika) and was popular in the former USSR. But that's history.


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