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Deck strengthening fasteners question

  • 12 Sep 2025 09:31
    Reply # 13541401 on 13541044
    prime with resin thinned with styrene. Continue whilst still tacky. 
    Thanks Mark. For some reason, it seems impossible to buy styrene in Ireland (unless I want 1000 litres of the stuff), and being a chemical, it can't be posted from the UK. I think I just need to switch back to epoxy. 
  • 11 Sep 2025 12:11
    Reply # 13541044 on 13539846

    I have used polyester for non critical items, above waterline.  
    You need a rough surface to the timber to get a good bond (planed is a disaster).

    prime with resin thinned with styrene. Continue whilst still tacky. 

    always add some fibre / filler to the resin, this gives it more flexibility. Treecell is good. 
    i found that vinyl ester is not much cheaper than epoxy. 
    for epoxy try Epodex, it is a very good price. Made primarily for work tops, so is very thin and slow setting, so soaked well into timber. 


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  • 11 Sep 2025 11:46
    Reply # 13541041 on 13539846

    With any fixing into plywood it is essential to first drill an oversized hole, fill with resin, the re drill hole of the desired size.

    in your case, I would undercut the hole, then fill with epoxy with chopped glass fibres.  A screw in fitting will be fine.  Even a threaded bolt will hold if epoxy coated when inserted, if sufficiently deep. The forces here are not that great, you are raising the sail by hand. 
    i would try and avoid any through bolts, they are a potential source of leaks 

  • 11 Sep 2025 10:05
    Reply # 13541034 on 13540418
     In my opinion I prefer ringed nails in plywood over screws. 

    Bronze ring nails available in the UK here;

    https://www.seaware.co.uk/products/gripfast-nails-silicon-bronze

  • 09 Sep 2025 18:45
    Reply # 13540418 on 13539846

    Andrew,

    Through bolting is a very strong option but does require access to both sides of the material. Next would be clinched nails but this also requires access to both sides. One sided access would include ringed nails and screws. In my opinion I prefer ringed nails in plywood over screws. I feel that the screw threads tend to delaminate the ply layers and provide less secure holding power than in solid wood. Surface gluing plywood is dependent on surface area thus why adding fillets and overlays are important. I have not used resin other than epoxy so I can’t speak to that aspect. 
    Have fun building!

    Curtis

  • 08 Sep 2025 10:14
    Message # 13539846

    Hi, I’m strengthening the area around where the front hatch used to be on my Hurley 22, ready for the mast. I started with a 9 mm ply sheet that spans most of the deck, then added a 25 mm ply sheet covering about 70% of that (all exterior grade). I’ll build up more strength around the mast with smaller layers of 25 mm, using Mingming II as a guide.

    I know epoxy would have been ideal, but I’ve used vinyl ester as I’ve got a lot of work to do on the boat and didn’t want to juggle both epoxy and polyester resins. Vinyl ester is still waterproof and reasonably elastic, from what I understand.

    My question: I’d like to add extra strength between the layers with some kind of fastener, as Roger Taylor did, but I’m not sure what to use.

    I tried self-tapping 316 screws, but they strip out easily (maybe I just need to pre-drill). Since it’s plywood, should I use washers or screw cups? Or would brass nails be better? Or am I overthinking it?

    All the ply will be glassed over in the end. There will also be two wooden blocks on either side of the mast for the turning blocks, which will be bolted right through the deck — but I’d still like a bit of extra strength around the edges of the reinforcing area.


    Thanks for any advice!




     

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