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The Chinese sometimes rigged their junks with jibs and topsails

  • 25 Jun 2026 17:06
    Reply # 13646616 on 13646435

    Worcester 1947 gives the attached (approximately 1350s) description of topsails. My guess is that they were more commonly used when cotton sails replaced mat sails.


    The photos are the first documentation of the use of jibs and topsails (Worcester mentions a model in the attached article. Sea-going junks are almost completely undocumented for a number of reasons which is why current underwater archeology is so important. Almost all of the documentation of junks and their rigs is from waters with restricted navigation in estuaries and trade in locally used goods in contrast to offshore trade with high value or perishable goods. The photos challenge a lot of the dogma/assumptions about the junk rig and its use.

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  • 25 Jun 2026 16:33
    Reply # 13646597 on 13646435

    The command "preparation for gybing" (was tacking possible?) should have been issued about an hour earlier. (I mean that junk in the middle).

    EDIT: But we know that tacking on a junk is not a problem...

    Last modified: 25 Jun 2026 17:24 | Anonymous member
  • 25 Jun 2026 05:29
    Reply # 13646449 on 13646435
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    It is common enough to see photographs of Chinese junks in Hong Kong and other ports under the influence of Western countries, with rigs which included technology borrowed from Western ships - for example wire standing rigging.  Photography (and the publication of photographs in print magazines) was becoming popular by the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th - the very same period in which a number of Western powers were enjoying seized territory, and influence in China. This might also explain the triangular sails which can be seen set flying in the two photos from China, even though these "kites" are not found in the literature on Chinese rigs. That would be my explanation; interesting but not really so surprising.

    As for the Japanese boat with its bowsprit and tiny staysail - an interesting mystery.  

    Japan did not invade China in this period - although it did seize and occupy some parts of Manchuria and Shandong Province, and was in control of some German territories in the far east of China (for example Qingdao) in 1916.

    Japan always had its own tradition of junk rigged boats, so there seems no reason to suppose that the Japanese junk photographed in Nagasaki had originated from China. More likely just a local boat - but the bowsprit and staysail is interesting. There had been a US Consulate in Nagasaki between 1902 and 1912, but that had closed down by 1916. There was no American military presence there in 1916. What was the USQT Sherman doing there in 1916? My A.I. is guessing this was the USAT Sherman, a transport ship, stopping over for some, now unknown, reason. Nagasaki had a major coaling and repair facility there. Perhaps the Japanese junk with its bowsprit and tiny staysail is just evidence that Western rigs were known, and "messing about" with boats is a universal pastime. It's an interesting photo.


    Last modified: 25 Jun 2026 07:35 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 25 Jun 2026 03:57
    Message # 13646435

    I don't recall ever seeing these sails (or a sea going junk) in photos or described in technical writings on Chinese junks. The photos were submitted to Rudder magazine in 1914 as single paragraph travel notes. The photo from Japan in 1916 is likely a Chinese junk as Japan had invaded China for its resources then.

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