Galion 22 conversion

  • 13 Apr 2021 10:38
    Reply # 10306828 on 5070195
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Jami.
    As can be seen on that diagram below, the suggested new rudder has a high-stress point around the lowest hinge. I think that can be handled by fitting a metal strap on each side of it. This will be much simpler to make than to make ( a strong enough) skeg to support the rudder lower down.

    I could think of two ways of doing it.

    • 1.      Rig the rudder as shown on the diagram. Reinstall the original rudder and keep it for the summer. It will serve as a spare rudder. In addition, you can try with the spare-rudder locked or free. If you feel that the boat handles best with it locked, then use it that way. If you find that the boat needs the old rudder to be free for manoeuvrability, then it may be an idea to remove the old rudder next winter.
    • 2.      Start the season with the old rudder removed, but with no new skeg added yet. At the end of the season you will know if you should fill in the empty space with a little skeg  -  or if you should re-install the old rudder.

    Both my options make it easier to take a step back, than when putting lots of labour in making a structural skeg, meant to support the new rudder.

    Anyway, good luck!
    Arne



  • 13 Apr 2021 10:29
    Reply # 10306751 on 5070195

    Sounds logical, thanks. I might give this a try, after all.

  • 13 Apr 2021 09:13
    Reply # 10306587 on 5070195

    In the self steering gear, the span between bearings is rather small compared with the length of the servo blade, and precision is important to keep the amount of balance area correct. It's not surprising that lashings proved difficult. With rudder lashings at spacings more like half the length of the rudder, and with less need for precision, things should be easier. Going back to Annie's blog entry on 28th May 2020, look at how she filled the holes with epoxy after getting the knots as tight as she could. With the rudder and the skeg glass-sheathed, Dyneema used for the cords and then the lashings stabilised in this way, I don't have concerns about strength and longevity. 

  • 13 Apr 2021 08:12
    Reply # 10306372 on 5070195

    Thanks,

    I'm a great fan of the simple Wharram-style lashings, but for some reason I'm afraid I won't be able to make them tight and strong enough. This probably is because of the ufortunate effort to use them on my self-steering gear. The lashings ended up being too slack and I had to change them to Seasure fittings.

    Any tips to make me feel more secure, especially for the strength of a few centimeters of spruce?

  • 13 Apr 2021 07:39
    Reply # 10306238 on 5070195

    I don't think that making the rudder axis vertical will add much efficiency; it will, however, add some problems of making the structure sound, as you guess.

    I wish I had a skeg. Please don't cut yours off, but extend it aft to the transom at the same depth.

    Then bond a parallel sided piece of wood, not triangular, to the transom (your 48mm sq spruce will do, but I'd rather use something harder),  long enough to bond to the after end of the extended skeg, so that they give each other mutual support.

    Cut away the balance area of the rudder in way of the skeg. Then you can use Annie's figure 8 lashings at deck level and at the bottom of the skeg, for the very best frictional performance (your vane gear will appreciate this).

    The draught of the finished rudder should be at least 20cm less than the draught of the keel. You'll be thankful for this when you bounce the boat on a hard bottom. 

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  • 13 Apr 2021 06:52
    Reply # 10306102 on 5070195

    Adding enough filling to make the rudder fully vertical would need the fill to be some 30cm thick. Isn’t this too much?

    (If again I had a welder at hand, this could be solved by building a triangular ss support for the upper fitting. Too bad I don’t.)

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  • 13 Apr 2021 06:24
    Reply # 10305939 on 5070195

    If you were to follow David's idea, you could then use Wharram-style rope lacings for the rudder.  I am 100% happy with mine.

  • 12 Apr 2021 23:01
    Reply # 10304994 on 5070195
    Deleted user

    If it were me I would make the rudder as vertical as possible by putting an infill block on the transom. This will make the rudder much more effective, and your balance area should be ahead of the vertical axis of the rudder hinge point. I have attached a rough sketch below.

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  • 12 Apr 2021 14:58
    Reply # 10303207 on 5070195

    I've started making the new rudder using 48x48mm spruce planks glued together, cut the basic shape and started to shape the foil.

    To my eye the rudder look ENORMOUS in size... even though the underwater profile is not a lot bigger than the original, if you compare the size behind the axle. I've basically just added the balanced section and some 10cm of height. Does it look too big in your eyes, or is it just me?

    Anyway, now I've faced a real problem.

    The original rudder had a small skeg (see photo). I was planning on extending it up to the transom level. But don't seem to have any idea about the size/shape in comparison to the rudder.

    Ideas, please? Size, shape - or cut most of it off?

    Things to be taken account:

    1) I still have no fittings for the rudder/skeg -link, which means the skeg will not add any support. I will make plywood (rudder)/steel (transom) fittings suggested by you people in the other topic, and at the moment it seems that the rudder will thus be only transom-hung.

    2) the balanced part of the rudder can be cut to shape in any way needed - and even the rest can be cut a bit, if needed.

    3) If needed, I could in theory make the rudder more vertical, if I'd set the upper rudder fitting on a block of some kind to make it protrude 5 or 10 cm from the transom.

    4) Because of the fittings, the rudder axle will already be set some 5-8 cm away from the transom

    5) In the photo the rudder is 10-15 cm lower than the planned setting. I had nobody to help keep it in the right place for the photo :)


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  • 13 Jan 2021 10:32
    Reply # 9854035 on 5070195

    Thanks for the answer - so the problem was not the split itself, but the gear the vane was dealing with. All the best in the New Year!

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