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  • 28 Nov 2024 00:57
    Reply # 13435716 on 13435674
    Anonymous wrote:

    A drawing exercise with hi-balance sail

    Frederik uses to publish photos from his building progress of Hogfish on FB, both on his own account and on the FB group.

    Recently he published an old sailplan from me, not the one he is actually going to use  -  a Paul Thompson design. Then I was dumb enough to stick out my head and air my view on plumb masts contra raked ones. I shouldn’t have done that, least of all on FB, where most of the contributors are mainly armchair enthusiasts.

    Still, Paul was generous and mailed me his sailplan in .dxf format to let me draw my preferred version onto it. I have now returned it to him with my extra details added.

    This sail differs quite a bit from the first one I sent to Frederik some years ago. Thanks to Paul Schnabel’s experience with a Johanna 60 type sail on his  Maxi 77, which he pushed further and further forward, I could now conclude that 27% mast balance works well.

    I therefore picked another Johanna 60 master sail from my stack, scaled it up and fitted it to a plumb mast on Hogfish, a little aft of the original one (stub still visible). The lovely thing with this is to see how close the CE now sits to the mast. This will ensure easier steering downwind than with my former low-balance sails.

    Now, this is just an exercise and a demo of the hi-balance sail. I admit that I am not so fond of forward-raking masts, but when Paul T. says that they have worked well on his boats, I have to surrender  -  although a bit reluctantly...


    I can only wish you both good luck!

    Arne

    (..full size diagram under Arne's sketches, Section 8...)

    The problem Arne, is that your mast is plumb in the middle of Frederik's nice big double bank and my design brief was to preserve it, as Frederik has not taken the celibacy vows yet, nor has he any plans to do so anytime in the future. A mast in the middle of a double bunk can seriously interfere with some (admittedly non sailing) activities.

    The 4° of forward rake that I've put in the mast is in fact the standard rake that I give all my designs where it is possible. I avoid vertical masts if it can be done.

    As for sail balance, as you well know, I have been using varying amounts since 2013 when I put 22% into LC's foresail. That sail shape has been one of my most successful ever and I've used it on a number of my designs. The sail for Frederik's Hogfish is based on it, as was the sail I made for Graham Cox's Blue Moon. Incidentally LC's foremast was raked forward 4°.

    I've put 28% sail balance in the sail for Frederick (measured along the batten, from the center line of the mast to the the luff). There is absolutely nothing new about using a decent amount of sail balance when it will do useful work. I feel you can safely use up to 33% sail balance. However somewhere around that point instability will start to occur... I suspect that the amount of camber will also figure in what that point is.

  • 27 Nov 2024 21:45
    Reply # 13435674 on 7155071
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    A drawing exercise with hi-balance sail

    Frederik uses to publish photos from his building progress of Hogfish on FB, both on his own account and on the FB group.

    Recently he published an old sailplan from me, not the one he is actually going to use  -  a Paul Thompson design. Then I was dumb enough to stick out my head and air my view on plumb masts contra raked ones. I shouldn’t have done that, least of all on FB, where most of the contributors are mainly armchair enthusiasts.

    Still, Paul was generous and mailed me his sailplan in .dxf format to let me draw my preferred version onto it. I have now returned it to him with my extra details added.

    This sail differs quite a bit from the first one I sent to Frederik some years ago. Thanks to Paul Schnabel’s experience with a Johanna 60 type sail on his  Maxi 77, which he pushed further and further forward, I could now conclude that 27% mast balance works well.

    I therefore picked another Johanna 60 master sail from my stack, scaled it up and fitted it to a plumb mast on Hogfish, a little aft of the original one (stub still visible). The lovely thing with this is to see how close the CE now sits to the mast. This will ensure easier steering downwind than with my former low-balance sails.

    Now, this is just an exercise and a demo of the hi-balance sail. I admit that I am not so fond of forward-raking masts, but when Paul T. says that they have worked well on his boats, I have to surrender  -  although a bit reluctantly...


    I can only wish you both good luck!

    Arne

    (..full size diagram under Arne's sketches, Section 8...)

    Last modified: 27 Nov 2024 21:56 | Anonymous member (Administrator)
  • 25 Nov 2024 16:23
    Reply # 13434732 on 7155071

    Jeps Scott, you got it right. 
    I intend to keep the rode in the well, so no mud and water down below. I’ll Build a box for it

    See how that goes. 

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  • 25 Nov 2024 15:13
    Reply # 13434703 on 7155071

    Hello Frederik,

    Your boat looks great! No offense to any of the other skillfully built junk boats out there, but there is something I really like about Chris Morejohn's designs. They are, to my eye, an excellent modern Sharpie.

    Can you explain the purpose of the 90-degree-angle structure connecting the anchor well to the bow?

    edit: It think I understand. This is where you will mount the windlass.

    Scott.

    Last modified: 25 Nov 2024 15:49 | Anonymous member
  • 24 Nov 2024 17:57
    Reply # 13434451 on 7155071

    Painting & playing around. 
    and yes Paul, the rake in the main will be there for sure.

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  • 14 Aug 2024 12:46
    Reply # 13393646 on 7155071

    That looks great, very nice!

  • 14 Aug 2024 08:39
    Reply # 13393609 on 7155071

    Here’s looking aft. 


    Hatches and removable piece in footwell done.

    Outboard well sloping to aperture and glassed. 

    Removed foam and replaced with 3/4” sapele ply glassed over, where hardware is going on. Generous blocking under deck. 2” thickness there. 
    ( decided on mounting the mooring bitts this way as there as not much space elsewhere. Looks a bit weird but should be no problem…)

    Hefty mast step for mizzenmast 


    Putty and some paint soonish. 
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  • 30 May 2024 10:13
    Reply # 13363443 on 7155071

    Yes. Heavy enough.. should be ok with, say 6-6.5 ton displacement empty boat. 
    I did some corresponding with Eric Sponberg and he informed me that those older freedom masts were overbuild. 
    The section I’ll be using has a wall thickness of 12+ mm at the step.  That is without gel coat. 
    at the mast head it’s 10,5 mm. Inner and outer layers are fiberglass. 

    Hope to see both you guys later this year. Happy sailing!

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    Last modified: 30 May 2024 10:14 | Anonymous member
  • 30 May 2024 09:15
    Reply # 13363434 on 7155071

    Hi Frederik, wow it looks good and very sturdy!

    Amazing to see the wall thickness of the freedom mast.


    Hope to be able to visit you in autumn,

    Paul

  • 30 May 2024 08:14
    Reply # 13363429 on 7155071

    Looking great Frederik!

    Still, it's amazing how heavy a carbon fibre mast is! 

    Last modified: 30 May 2024 08:16 | Anonymous member
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