Galley stove/ovens

  • 29 Sep 2017 07:44
    Reply # 5286088 on 5283895
    Mark Thomasson wrote:

    I have never tried one - but won't multi-fuel camping stove run off kerosene?  Plenty of spares available.

    Yes, but they are both expensive and diminutive.  OK for camping cooking, but not really the sort of thing you'd want to cook on seriously.
  • 28 Sep 2017 14:01
    Reply # 5283895 on 1195343

    I have never tried one - but won't multi-fuel camping stove run off kerosene?  Plenty of spares available.

  • 27 Sep 2017 22:04
    Reply # 5283157 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    In the end, it seems that the biggest problem with the kerosene stoves is that they  have become so rare. Back in 1982, I could buy the Optimus 555 stove (which Annie mentioned) for Malena over the counter, and I could do the same in 1999 when I bought the Model 155 for Johanna. The shops had spares; jets, needles, gaskets and wotnot. Today I can still buy a brand-new Origo alcohol stove in my local boat-equipment shop, and these last forever without needing any service at all.

    Smell:
    Since most boats up to the eighties had kerosene stoves, no one took much notice of a bit smell from it. There were plenty of other smells around; tar, diesel, fresh varnish  -  and tobacco smoke! Every-one‘s dad was puffing his pipe quite frequently. Today, with very few people smoking, and no one smoking in-doors, a smoker can easily be detected on the smell.

    These days...
    ... kerosene stoves are only available second-hand here, and one has to be one’s own service man  -  no help or advice to get from the neighbouring gin palace (..the www is good to have, though  -  Odin save the Google Advanced Search...).

    In a way, the kero stove is now much like the junk rig: Both the kero stove and the JR depend on your skills to stay in order...

    Arne

     


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  • 27 Sep 2017 20:38
    Reply # 5283044 on 5283040
    Zane Krajancic wrote:

    The smell of Kerosene is pleasant to me and brings back fond childhood memories and I could easily live with it onboard, although I have a yet to be installed Origo alcohol cooker.

     As a young lad our extended family all went camping to the beach every Xmas holidays in a huge tent. No electricity, so lighting and cooking was all Kerosene.  Those were the days.  It's funny how smells can be positive or negative based on your memories and emotions.


    I enjoy going on to a boat redolent with the smell of oil lamps and a Primus.  I just don't really appreciate smelling like that myself!

    I don't think you'd get on with a Primus, Zane - changing the needles is fiddly and requires much patience!


  • 27 Sep 2017 20:30
    Reply # 5283040 on 1195343

    The smell of Kerosene is pleasant to me and brings back fond childhood memories and I could easily live with it onboard, although I have a yet to be installed Origo alcohol cooker.

     As a young lad our extended family all went camping to the beach every Xmas holidays in a huge tent. No electricity, so lighting and cooking was all Kerosene.  Those were the days.  It's funny how smells can be positive or negative based on your memories and emotions.

  • 27 Sep 2017 04:57
    Reply # 5281600 on 5279543
    Arne Kverneland wrote:Edit, evening: Tonight I lit the Optimus a final time before reinstalling the Origo. I tried a 2-minute preheat, but that wasn't enough and resulted in a yellow flare-up. Switched to the other burner and preheated it 3:10min with good result. The special thing with the Optimus 111 is that the pan around the burner is closed.  The burner sits in a pit, kind of. This prevents one from spilling any alcohol on the table below, which is good, but on the other hand, airflow is not good to the preheat flame. I guess this is why it takes a little longer to preheat than other models I have used. This is also why I make a funnel from a tin can, to concentrate the preheat flame around the burner.


    Well, there you are!  I used to keep the wick in a jar and clip it over the base of the burner, but that was on an Optimus 555 (I think it was called - the white enamelled one with green hotplates), where the burner was easily accessible.
  • 27 Sep 2017 04:56
    Reply # 5281598 on 5281231
    Paul Thompson wrote:

    I don't think LC stinks of kero nor does Skatty. If you buy Jet A from the airport it high quality and cost no more than petrol at the pump.

    I didn't think I did either.  I only discovered it when a friend told me that he knew when his cat had been visiting me: it always smelled of kero!  And I'm afraid neither Jet A nor 'denatured' kero are much better :-(

    Edit: don't forget I referred to living aboard rather than just weekending.  It's because everything you own is in the atmosphere that it all starts to smell.  The same friend said he knew when I walked into the room because I was preceded by the pong of paraffin(!)  However, I suspect that using oil lamps multiplies the ssmell dramatically.



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  • 27 Sep 2017 00:41
    Reply # 5281231 on 1195343

    I use a kero stove on LC and I'm very happy with it. I've only had a flare up twice and both times it was a crew who did not know what they were doing.

    They received detailed instructions but thought they knew better (moral of the story stick to single handing and if you have crew, make it female, they don't think they know everything).

    I don't think LC stinks of kero nor does Skatty. If you buy Jet A from the airport it high quality and cost no more than petrol at the pump.

  • 26 Sep 2017 19:12
    Reply # 5280513 on 1195343
    Deleted user

    Arne,

    "Timothy, as for pure lamp oil, I am not so sure. I once tried it on my Optimus, but it simply didn’t work. However much I preheated the stove, it just flared up, so boiling temperature must be much higher than on kerosene. I later learned on a Primus expert's a home-page that lamp oil is not just refined kero, it is something else."

    You're right. It took me a few minutes to discover that, but I left my original statement.  That's why I also mentioned the 'lamplight medallion oil' which is designed for oil lamp use, and designed to burn clean, so it might work in a kero stove. I'd be curious to find out, as I use alcohol stoves with 99% isopropyl, so I don't have a way to test it out :-)

  • 26 Sep 2017 09:05
    Reply # 5279543 on 1195343
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Annie,

    My Optimus stove already has those wicks. I guess I was just a bit rusty on using that stove so I gave it an extra dram to be on the safe side. I think the bottle cap was bigger than on earlier alcohol bottles as well.

    And yes, the kerosene leaves a smell in everything. I kind of didn’t notice when I was in the boat, but when I sold Johanna and removed some sweaters and blankets, they surely started to smell in the car.

    Timothy, as for pure lamp oil, I am not so sure. I once tried it on my Optimus, but it simply didn’t work. However much I preheated the stove, it just flared up, so boiling temperature must be much higher than on kerosene. I later learned on a Primus expert's a home-page that lamp oil is not just refined kero, it is something else.

    Anyway, I reluctantly declare the Origo as the winner for my use.

    Arne

    PS: So what do people use for preheating their grills? Have everyone switched to gas grills these days?

    Edit, evening: Tonight I lit the Optimus a final time before reinstalling the Origo. I tried a 2-minute preheat, but that wasn't enough and resulted in a yellow flare-up. Switched to the other burner and preheated it 3:10min with good result. The special thing with the Optimus 111 is that the pan around the burner is closed.  The burner sits in a pit, kind of. This prevents one from spilling any alcohol on the table below, which is good, but on the other hand, airflow is not good to the preheat flame. I guess this is why it takes a little longer to preheat than other models I have used. This is also why I make a funnel from a tin can, to concentrate the preheat flame around the burner.



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