The Ideal Tender

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  • 12 Feb 2018 07:27
    Reply # 5732597 on 5732102
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    David Tyler wrote:
    Darren Bos wrote:
    Nicholas Head wrote:
    Can anyone advise what software or android app can be used to open and view this file? Thanks, Nick

    .dxf is the standard CAD drawing file.  Any CAD drawing program should be able to open it.  I think David draws in QCAD, which would assure the maximum compatibility.  There are free versions of it available for Mac, Linux or Windows.
    Nick, Google 'dxf viewer' and choose one that's appropriate for the computer OS you use. I'm not aware of anything for Android, you need at least a laptop screen to see a drawing satisfactorily.
    Thank you all for that.  Now to find a computer..... Nick

  • 11 Feb 2018 21:31
    Reply # 5732102 on 5731721
    Darren Bos wrote:
    Nicholas Head wrote:
    Can anyone advise what software or android app can be used to open and view this file? Thanks, Nick

    .dxf is the standard CAD drawing file.  Any CAD drawing program should be able to open it.  I think David draws in QCAD, which would assure the maximum compatibility.  There are free versions of it available for Mac, Linux or Windows.
    Nick, Google 'dxf viewer' and choose one that's appropriate for the computer OS you use. I'm not aware of anything for Android, you need at least a laptop screen to see a drawing satisfactorily. 
  • 11 Feb 2018 19:34
    Reply # 5731963 on 5731676
    Nicholas Head wrote:
    Can anyone advise what software or android app can be used to open and view this file? Thanks, Nick

    Hi Nick

    I sympathise with you.  I had to get some special software to speak to David about SibLim and although I can get along with dxf files, given my druther I'd much prefer a simple jpg with a scale.  The dxf program does allow you to take measurements, but of course it's yet something else you have to learn how to run.  If you only have a simple computer, a tablet or a phone, it can be difficult, not in the least because there is so much other 'stuff' on the screen so that you can run the program.  However, I seem to recall once opening a dxf file on Paint in Windows 10, so that might work.

    However, if it doesn't all is not lost.  Bookmark this site.  They specialise in turning one file format into another and will change a dxf into a variety of formats.  I've just tried it on one of the SibLim files and it worked just fine.  Of course, there won't be any scale, but you might be able to make one from any measurements shown.  The site is also great for breaking down pdf files.

  • 11 Feb 2018 17:30
    Reply # 5731802 on 5713176

    A rowing RIB!  The JRA is not a good place to browse when you have other work to do!  I found myself taking detailed measurements of Leeway's deck this morning.  I could fit the 3.5m (11.25') version on deck, the bow sections are just narrow enough to squeeze between the dorades. The idea of adding an inflatable collar is appealing, especially if it meant that the boat was lower when stored inverted on deck with the tubes deflated.  I suspect you'd have to leave a little more of the topsides than you see on a regular rib so that waves slapping the tubes didn't steal all your way when rowing in rougher conditions.  

    Phil may have more experience making inflatable tubes than I.  I can make straight tubes out of PVC fabric fairly easily. However, it looks like the Walker Bay tubes are pre-bent.  Maybe they are torturing the fabric a bit on a heated mould when they weld them?  It looks to me like it would take five straight sections glued together per side to make a tube that follows the boats lines reasonably well.  It is possible to make D-shaped tubes as well, perhaps something with a structure like the Puffin Dinghy Slieve mentioned combined with D-shaped tubes would be best for a rowing RIB?


  • 11 Feb 2018 16:11
    Reply # 5731721 on 5731676
    Nicholas Head wrote:
    Can anyone advise what software or android app can be used to open and view this file? Thanks, Nick

    .dxf is the standard CAD drawing file.  Any CAD drawing program should be able to open it.  I think David draws in QCAD, which would assure the maximum compatibility.  There are free versions of it available for Mac, Linux or Windows.
  • 11 Feb 2018 15:37
    Reply # 5731676 on 5731517
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    David Tyler wrote:
    Darren Bos wrote:
     If you have a copy of the drawing to stash away in my someday dreams file (or so I have something to start from if someone steals the RIB) I'd like to see it.
    Just to distract you further from the task in hand, I've brought down the length to 10ft, maintained the beam at 4ft and the displacement at 305Kg, and then increased the hull depth so that the draught becomes 10in. The dxf file is here. Not quite as sleek as the 11ft 4in version, but probably more useful as a tender.
    Can anyone advise what software or android app can be used to open and view this file? Thanks, Nick

  • 11 Feb 2018 12:58
    Reply # 5731517 on 5731301
    Darren Bos wrote:
     If you have a copy of the drawing to stash away in my someday dreams file (or so I have something to start from if someone steals the RIB) I'd like to see it.
    Just to distract you further from the task in hand, I've brought down the length to 10ft, maintained the beam at 4ft, and then increased the hull depth so that the draught becomes 10in and the displacement remains at 305Kg. The dxf file is here. Not quite as sleek as the 11ft 4in version, but probably more useful as a tender.
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  • 11 Feb 2018 09:14
    Reply # 5731455 on 5713176
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    Hi David, I like this concept. There would be no need to purchase walker bay tubes though as these are easy and cheap to make. Make a nesting one and then we can all have the best of all worlds, no compromises.

  • 11 Feb 2018 09:00
    Reply # 5731417 on 5731328
    David Thatcher wrote:RIBs do in a way present the best of both worlds with a reasonable lower hull shape which can be rowed, and the buoyancy of the inflatable tubes. 
    I have to agree - the basic concept, of a properly boat-shaped hull in the water, plus an inflatable fender above water, is perfect. Or would be, if only they'd make a genuine rowing RIB, without the broad stern necessary to support an outboard, and with much less beam. A while ago, I wondered whether it would be possible to take the inflatable collar that Walker Bay sell for their dinghies, and build a nicely-shaped plywood hull underneath it?
  • 11 Feb 2018 08:51
    Reply # 5731416 on 5731301
    Darren Bos wrote:
    David Tyler wrote:When I was working on the SibLim design, I did several "what if?" exercises, scaling up and down. One of them was for a tender-sized dinghy, taking off the lute stern and trimming the topsides down to a more sensible height for a dinghy. I'd worked on a length of 9ft, but I've just revisited the concept and scaled it up to 306 Kg displacement when the transom and chine are just kissing the water. At a boat all-up weight of 46kg (101lb) the payload would therefore be 260kg - enough for 2 adults and 2 teenagers? The length, with a small bow transom, turns out to be 3.446m (11ft 4in), with a beam of 1.22m (4ft) and a draught of 0.225m (9in). The appearance is quite graceful, and somewhat similar to the Joel White Shellback. I think this would be a good rowing boat.

    Any good?

    That's not playing fair David, presenting a nice design right in my lap!  I must admit, it also tickles my sense of humour that my dinghy could be a half-scale model of Annie's Yacht.  I went back and looked over the Siblim16 and scaled down with the alterations you describe, it would make an interesting tender.  I only have about 10' of deck space to store the dinghy, so it is a little too long, although maybe I could squeeze the bow through the forward dorades to make it fit.  The last problems, would be that it would obscure the view forward from our low pilothouse and that I am in up to my neck in our complete refit and conversion of Leeway to a junk rig.  We plan to launch by Christmas this year and it will take all I have to do it.  If you have a copy of the drawing to stash away in my someday dreams file (or so I have something to start from if someone steals the RIB) I'd like to see it.
    The dxf file is now here. Sorry if I've disturbed your concentration on the work in hand!
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