single sail plan balance

  • 27 Apr 2014 23:23
    Reply # 1544034 on 1543615
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    Ben, to find a member's photo albums, click on e.g. Graham's name in his post above. That takes you to the parts of his profile which he has opened to members. Look for Photos. There's more on these, including how to set up your own, on our HELP page.
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  • 26 Apr 2014 23:16
    Reply # 1543793 on 1543615
    Ben, the balance may have something to do with the boat design too.  Before I converted my boat, Arion, from bermudian sloop to single-masted junk, I used to sail with the main out one side and the jib poled out the other when dead downwind and always managed to self steer.  When I converted to junk sloop I put the CE in exactly the same place it was on the bermudian sail plan and find I still have excellent balance.  I can even drive the boat very hard downwind and stilll self steer, but common sense says to reef early and take the strain off things, since the rig is so efficient off the wind.  Then everything becomes very docile and I can go back to reading my book, or whatever.  You can see pictures of Arion hammering downwind if you look at my member photo albums.
  • 26 Apr 2014 05:46
    Reply # 1543635 on 1543615
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    Trim changes as you adjust the sheets on a JR, I do this sometimes to reduce helm. If that no longer works then reefing a panel does. Need to do all this for the wind vane steering anyway.
  • 26 Apr 2014 04:42
    Reply # 1543627 on 1543620
    Ben wrote:This may sound crazy....is there any reason the mast couldnt be mounted in a sliding track at both the step and the partners? Some design that held the mast securely but could vary the position of the mast in relation to the CLR? Maybe something similar to an adjustable main sheet traveler but on a different scale? Clearly this design would be intended for long passages. Has it been done before? Pros and cons? Maybe it could be possible to adjust one attachment point i.e. partners or step and change the angle of the mast? I dont know what range of movement would be required to have an effect on balance. Just thoughts.....
    Yup - it sounds crazy :-) I don't know how it could be engineered to be strong enough. And how would you seal the hole through the deck?
  • 26 Apr 2014 04:40
    Reply # 1543624 on 1543615
    Ben wrote:I have looked for an answer to this question. If you know where the answer is please tell me. I grew up sailing on small sloop rigs. I was taught to steer the boat with the sails while the tiller was lashed amidships. And later taught to balance the sails on any given point of sail in order balance the helm. My question is: On a single sail plan, how can you trim the sail in order to balance the helm? I have read that as the wind moves aft the helm becomes more imbalanced with a single junk rig sail. Thank you everyone!
    You can move the sail across the mast, by having a running tack line instead of a fixed one, and another running line from the mid point of the boom to the bottom of the mast ( a bit like a kicking strap, though its purpose is not to hold the boom down). My current sail does this, but it's not for balance upwind so much as for reducing weather helm downwind, when a low aspect ratio sail, all out to one side, would generate large helm forces.
  • 26 Apr 2014 03:52
    Reply # 1543620 on 1543615
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    This may sound crazy....is there any reason the mast couldnt be mounted in a sliding track at both the step and the partners? Some design that held the mast securely but could vary the position of the mast in relation to the CLR? Maybe something similar to an adjustable main sheet traveler but on a different scale? Clearly this design would be intended for long passages. Has it been done before? Pros and cons? Maybe it could be possible to adjust one attachment point i.e. partners or step and change the angle of the mast? I dont know what range of movement would be required to have an effect on balance. Just thoughts.....
  • 26 Apr 2014 03:31
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    I have looked for an answer to this question. If you know where the answer is please tell me. I grew up sailing on small sloop rigs. I was taught to steer the boat with the sails while the tiller was lashed amidships. And later taught to balance the sails on any given point of sail in order balance the helm. My question is: On a single sail plan, how can you trim the sail in order to balance the helm? I have read that as the wind moves aft the helm becomes more imbalanced with a single junk rig sail. Thank you everyone!
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