SibLim update

  • 13 Dec 2020 03:31
    Reply # 9425448 on 4315719

    And many thanks to you all for your kind remarks and thoughtful comments.  It's not easy putting something so important to me, out for all and sundry to criticise and it can be a blow to my less-than-robust self-confidence, when people find fault.  However, I am pleased with what I have made and, assuming she doesn't leak and that bits don't fall off, hope to get a lot of pleasure from her.

    I'll be watching that masthead, don't worry.  Indeed, I came within coo-ee of tearing it all off and starting again, but decided to stick with my idea.

    Thanks to Bruno for another delightful cartoon.  They are all the better for the slight skew that comes from being created in French!

  • 13 Dec 2020 03:23
    Reply # 9425445 on 9408128
    We all have boats for different reasons and certainly I'm sure there are a variety of reasons for building a boat beyond that of getting out on the water.

    I share your priorities, but a difference between your boat and mine is that Fanshi is also my home.  I find that having things that I find beautiful and enjoy using, add tremendously to my pleasure in life.  To me, joy comes from lots of small things rather than one or two large ones.  That being so, it was important to me to make the boat as attractive as I could, without sacrificing either longevity or practicality.  (And please I don't want to hear anyone telling me that varnish isn't practical.  I don't find it a chore or time consuming to maintain.  Unlike a diesel engine!)

    Part of the reason for having a boat is the pleasure of simply owning one, otherwise, surely, everyone would simply hire one when they wanted to sail.  Some people like to spend tens of thousands on a fancy paint job; some regard that time spent on getting details 'right' are worth it for the endless pleasure that they will get from them; some are perfectly happy to take whatever comes their way and go sailing.  How boring it would be if we all liked the same things.

    As to pink being girlish: it used to be a colour associated with men until the 20th century.  Blue was for girls: Mary's robe being a fine example.  I feel a little sorry for men being worried about being girlsh: for at least half a century, very few women have worried that they might be considered boyish and that has liberated us to do what we want.

    I, too, will defend your right to play in the 'Good Enough League', Arne.  After all, ít's not a competition.  But if my colourful little boat brings a smile to people who see her, I shall get even more satisfaction out of what I have achieved.

  • 13 Dec 2020 03:06
    Reply # 9425441 on 9396711
    Jim wrote:Tell us, how did you feel when she exited the shed? Besides the relief that she looks the way you expected. My guess is that there was a quiet sense of relief, but no big emotions. You were thinking, "Okay, so far so good. On with the next project."

    Jim, you don't know me very well if you thought I would be quiet and unemotional.  I was jumping up and down and squeaking with delight as she came out of the shed.  I felt a real sense of achievement because, in fact, I had built a boat.  Sure, I still had to step the mast and make a sail, but as 99% of boatbuilders farm that out to someone else, I felt much more a sense of 'job done'.  My friend Gordon had given me a bottle of good bubbles and I can tell you it was opened and consumed.

    The mast is now ready for stepping and I'm well into the sail, now, so not resting on my laurels.  I am hoping we can launch about the middle of January and more bubbles are planned.

  • 13 Dec 2020 02:59
    Reply # 9425439 on 9393662
    Paul wrote:

    BLIMEY,

    FABULOUS.


    Ps

    what’s the story with the dragons Annie?

    please don’t tell me you can carve as well.....


    No, I nowhere near clever enough to carve anything.  I didn't even dare attempt the eyes.  They were done by someone a friend recommended, who learnt his trade in the Philippines.  They ARE fabulous, aren't they?

  • 13 Dec 2020 02:56
    Reply # 9425438 on 9393003
    Arne wrote:

    Congratulations, Annie,
    I hope Fanshi will serve you well.
    As for the way webbing has been used at the mast top, I share Ueli’s nagging worry: There will be a very sharp bend and then the halyard will pull to this and that side as the sail swings about. This could lead to high point loads at the edge of the webbing. You know I used similar mast tops on my Broremann and Frøken Sørensen ( photo below), but these boats were after all only meant for pottering around on the fjord.

    I see Asmat has made the ultimate sunhat from a discarded fender  -  a mighty good idea.

    The trouble you got with ss. bolts on Fantail’s mast top, stems mainly from less than good engineering: An eyebolt protruding from a mast like Fantail’s, is not meant for taking cyclic bending loads from a halyard. Such loads will put very high strain on the top edge of the bolt (and maybe even there were threads there as well?). After a while, the metal may stress-harden and fail. Stainless is particularly vulnerable to stress hardening  -  a cheaper, galvanized bolt would probably have fared better.  Actually, the optimal use of a bolt is to keep it under tension where the whole cross section of it works in unison.

    Cheers, and good luck,
    Arne



    I have to admit that I have no intention of immediately setting sail for South America, and suspect that my initial sailing will be very similar to your pottering around on the fjord.

    It is not just eyebolts that I have had problems with. I have had several blocks and shackles fail, over the years, where the metal has been attached to metal.  I am trying to see if this method will avoid that.  Galvanised fastenings do seem less subject to fatigue, but the galvanising doesn't seem to last very long these days.

    The webbing is a gamble, or an experiment, if you prefer.  However, being aware of this, I intend to check it very regularly to see what happens to it.  There is nothing to stop me replacing it with metal fastenings.  It would be perfeclty straigtforward to glue on a larger diameter disc at the masthead and fit u-bolts through that for the blocks.

  • 13 Dec 2020 02:47
    Reply # 9425434 on 9392799
     Ueli wrote:

    congratulations for fanshi – she looks great!
    thanks for sharing the pictures (and her whole development anyway…)

    there is one point, i'm not sure about: the webbing which is partly soaked with epoxy resin could develop a weak spot in the small stress area where it changes from epoxy stiffened to flexible. i would keep this webbing under regular inspection, at least at the beginning. (or did anyone try this epoxy-webbing thing before?)

    can't wait to see her in the water…

    ueli




    Well, there's only really one way to fnd out!  In fact, the epoxy hasn't saturated the webbing in a hard rigid line.  If it does stress and start to come away, I don't anticipate that it will all happen at once and that the rig will fall down.  There is  spare block at the top of the mast and there are two separate blocks and webbing loops for the halliard.  With the mast being in a tabernacle, I should hope to be able to examine the mast head quite without having to go up it, but if I get someone to hoist me up after a few months, that should tell me if anything worrying is happening.


  • 07 Dec 2020 11:48
    Reply # 9409948 on 4315719

    I pointed out to Kerry early in our relationship that I don't do perfect. :) However the serious rot repairs I've had to do the last two haulouts combined with time restrictions has meant some less than polished (by my standards) work.

  • 06 Dec 2020 21:20
    Reply # 9408950 on 9408659
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    David Webb wrote:

    Arne, I have a very similar philosophy to yours, but slightly different.


    1 Strong. If your boat is strong it will not break while out at sea and will bring you home safely even if it leaks a bit here and there.
    .
    .

    David


    You are of course right about strength, David. The 'problem' is that all my grp boats have been stoutly built, so offshore strength has never been an issue. The hardest loads my boats have suffered is no doubt from running aground. Both my Malena and Johanna have been thoroughly tested there.

    As for what is beautiful or not, that varies with what we have grown up with. Personally, I think my Ingeborg is the best-looking boat I’ve had, and will ever have  -  but then I am biased...

    Arne


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  • 06 Dec 2020 18:36
    Reply # 9408659 on 4315719

    Arne, I have a very similar philosophy to yours, but slightly different.


    1 Strong. If your boat is strong it will not break while out at sea and will bring you home safely even if it leaks a bit here and there.

    2 Watertight both above and below the waterline. This makes living on the boat much more comfortable and stress free.

    3 Beautiful. Much of the beauty of a boat is in the initial design, but the finish also enhances this. If you have the time, inclination, patience and ability then try to achieve the best finish possible. This is what Annie has done with Fanshi. I am afraid I fall well short of her standards and aim for what I call a 90% result, and often fall short of this due to impatience and wanting to get out there and see what the boat will do.

    Congratulations to Annie on achieving the level of construction and finish she has achieved on Fanshi.

    David.


  • 06 Dec 2020 10:24
    Reply # 9408128 on 4315719
    Anonymous member (Administrator)

    Hmmmm...

    Deciding for a standard of workmanship and finish can be difficult, sometimes. On a scale going from ‘leaky shed’  to ‘Taiwan Rococo’, I try to land on a level in between. Not being very patient, and not being too fond of doing carpentry, I have to cut corners:

    • ·         Priority number one is to avoid rot and rust (read: avoid water ingress).
    • ·         Priority number two is to make things work without getting very complex.
    • ·         Last priority with me is to make things look neat. I spend little time on sanding, and I never hide (plug) screw heads unless it is to stop water ingress.

    Still, I don’t completely disregards the looks of things. When I got my Ingeborg, she had been refurbished inside, and like all boats of her time, her interior is dominated by ‘brown tree’, mahogany, I guess. It took me over a year before I dared to do any changes inside. I didn’t want to install ‘pale tree’; spruce or fir among all the brown. Neither did I want to cut down a rain forest to get it right. The compromise has been to use ‘teak on a can’ to stain the fir I have installed. It’s a kind of cheap, quick and dirty way of doing things, but that’s me, for sure.

    Annie, by contrast, clearly wants Fanshi, her pride and joy, to look very, very smart, even if it has cost her another year to achieve that standard of finish. That’s fine, I respect that. As long as she and I share the same first priority; avoid rot and rust, I am fine with this (.. btw, I think her way of using colours, including pink, looks great  -  in a girlish way...).

    So I surely defend anyone’s right to set a high standard of finish  -  as much as I defend my own right to play in the ‘Good-Enough League’.

    Cheers,
    Arne


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