Update and expand Sailplans - Current & Early

  • 17 Nov 2013 23:10
    Reply # 1440308 on 1418534
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    Hi Dave

    Thanks for that. Just emailed you to say that I'll leave this in Lesley's hands as she kicked the idea off.

    Not had any experience personally with wikis but is something we can look into. Unfortunately we don't appear to have a particularly 'techie' membership so I don't know how wikis would go down. Maybe some of us are just hiding their talents :-)
  • 20 Nov 2013 02:49
    Reply # 1441956 on 1440308
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    Brian Kerslake wrote:
    Not had any experience personally with wikis other than occasionally editing the Wikipedia junkrig entry, but is something we can look into. Unfortunately we don't appear to have a particularly 'techie' membership so I don't know how wikis would go down. Maybe some of us are just hiding their talents :-)


    Hi Brian,

    Now that you mention it, it's not a WYSIWYG environment... formatting is done via character strings inserted in the text (similar to HTML). That's not intuitive for most folks.

    Pity, since changes and discussion are automatic, and the whole environment is designed as hypertext (i.e., self and cross-referencing, and therefore a cumulative knowledge environment).

    Maybe a trial project, down the road.

    Dave Z
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  • 24 Nov 2013 04:50
    Reply # 1444912 on 1418534
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    Dave that is excellent, thank you! I have been prostrate with flu and somehow missed the developments in this thread. Apologies for missing your good work!

    I was interested to hear your thoughts about wikis. I have space on my website and I reckon I shall set one up as an experiment! . OMG is this a n other project?!

    I do like the idea of contributors being able to expand the knowledge base as and when. Surely a good place for the vocabulary too?

    L
  • 28 Nov 2013 09:51
    Reply # 1447855 on 1444912
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    Lesley Verbrugge wrote:
    I was interested to hear your thoughts about wikis. I have space on my website and I reckon I shall set one up as an experiment! . OMG is this a n other project?!

    I do like the idea of contributors being able to expand the knowledge base as and when. Surely a good place for the vocabulary too?
    Hi Lesley,

    Hope you're feeling better!

    Wikis do seem like a great medium for any knowledge archive. They enable step-wise expansion and refinement by individuals following their own interests. But they do have a (modest) learning curve.

    As a suggestion, Wikipedea's entry on Junk Rig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_Rig) - a major source of public information on JR - might be a good place to learn the ropes. Anyone who sets up an account may edit entries, and many examples, tutorials and guides are available.

    Work on that entry by JRA members would be valuable, I believe, to both communities, and if the wiki environment seemed to work out, we could then develop our own.

    Dave Z
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  • 29 Nov 2013 12:47
    Reply # 1448299 on 1418534
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    Dave, see my post in Junk Vocabulary for further ideas on using wikis in that project. I think such are more relevant to text-based projects than to illustrated ones. For most members anyway.
    Last modified: 29 Nov 2013 12:48 | Deleted user
  • 29 Nov 2013 13:00
    Reply # 1448303 on 1439914
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    Dave Zeiger wrote:Hi Lesley (and others),

    Here's a draft version, edited as a generalized questionnaire. It's unformatted, so can be copied from here, or I can supply it as a file in most formats. Any feedback welcome!

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    JRA SAILPLAN PROJECT


    The primary purpose of this project is to update and expand the >> Junk Information>Sailplans>Current and Early << sections of the JRA site. Secondarily, the information gathered, assembled and refined will help toward the JRA UPDATE PJR (Practical Junk Rig) PROJECT.

    The following have been suggested as useful information to be assembled for each major sailplan:

    * Representative photo -- Preferably profile shot from batten side (showing parrels), close-hauled and normalized to view from s'brd.

    * Generalized line plan -- Standard and scaleable with spar angles, showing typical control lines and keyed explanation of features, along with a plan of the furled bundle.

    * Brief history -- Include the developer(s), notable boats who've used the sailplan, it's goals (e.g., improved windward ability), what was introduced to achieve them, and some indication as to its current popularity.

    * Points list of pros and cons -- Such common considerations as cost, complexity, ease-of-construction and -handling, sail set, windward efficiency, tendency to foul, etc..

    * Owner consensus -- Generally, does it work as intended? Is it favored by owners? Do owners tend to stick with the type or move on?

    * Links to discussion threads, calculators, articles, photos, etc.

    * Dedicated Forum for suggestions and feedback on presentation.


    Additionally, the following have been suggested for similar presentation as modular approaches, which can be applied to, or modify, more or less any Sailplan:


    * Yard angle.

    * Batten Rise.

    * Rectangular vs triangular panels.

    * Flat-cut panels.

    * Shaped-panel camber.

    * Fanned sail, twist-induced camber.

    * Convex luff curve.

    * Gurney flaps.

    * Roping.

    * Stiff spars.

    * Bendy spars.

    * Mechanical spars (e.g., hinged battens).



    QUESTIONNAIRE:

    * Do you have any additions to the above categories or elements within them?

    * Are there sailplans which interest you that are not currently covered at the current JRA Sailplan location?

    * Can you help with this project? If so, what do you have in mind?

    * If you are experienced with a particular sailplan or approach, would you be willing to work toward its documentation?

    * Can you provide or point to specific information or materials for this project?

    * Would you be open to conducting research? If so, are you willing to summarize results?

    * Would you be open to requests to handle specific tasks?
    Hi Dave.

    Thanks for compiling that list and for placing it here. To some extent the content will of course cross over with what Chris Galliienne is working on and he's already 10,000 words in. I hear he's taking a break from writing to draw the sailplans - he's posted about that separately. However Chris's work is self-contained though I hear will be thrown open for member comment later. Maybe add a question to the above along the lines of 'Would you like to be help CG top and tail his book?' But please clear it with him first.

    Re the idea of opening a separate forum for this, David has already set up a section of the site for that. We ahave some members wishing we had fewer fora. Might be better to use David's area, get a team together, I'll give them access to it and then work via email with occasional progress reports here.
    Last modified: 29 Nov 2013 13:04 | Deleted user
  • 01 Dec 2013 20:58
    Reply # 1449278 on 1418534
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    Brian Kerslake wrote:
     Maybe add a question to the above along the lines of 'Would you like to be help CG top and tail his book?' But please clear it with him first.

    Hi Brian,

    Will be glad to clear with CG and add the question. 

    But I'm unclear on the meaning of the phrase 'top and tail'...

    A quick survey of definitions from the internet:

    Cut the hard ends of a vegetable.
    Dress formally in hat and tuxedo.
    Sleep side by side, head to foot with one or more persons.
    Wash the face and privates.
    ...

    Could you elaborate?  8)

    Dave Z

  • 01 Dec 2013 22:14
    Reply # 1449319 on 1418534
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    Can't remember the last time I did any of the above.

    Btw, haven't taken break from writing history .. just using one as a change from the other. Have opened up part one of history for general comment on the relevant thread.
  • 02 Dec 2013 08:15
    Reply # 1449560 on 1418534
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    Oops, must try to avoid such phrases on this international site :-)
    I was using it to mean 'finish off' someone else's work and 'publish' it, as I had just done for the privacy project. As in 'dotting the i's and crossing the t's (if that 'rings any bells').
  • 02 Dec 2013 09:37
    Reply # 1449579 on 1418534
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    Brian, Okay Dokay, I read you loud and clear.

    Chris, I see you're monitoring... is it alright to add a question, asking for assistance with your project? Or did you mean that you have it well in hand?

    Dave Z
    Last modified: 02 Dec 2013 09:42 | Deleted user
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