Sheet to tiller self steering, windvanes, and autopilots

  • 27 Sep 2015 17:33
    Reply # 3548827 on 1493031

    My boat has a Hydrovane auxiliary-rudder self-steering gear (because servo-pendulum gears don't work so well with hydraulic steering systems).  I imagine it will work well, when the sail is properly trimmed: it worked well for the Canadian junk sloop Lorcha during her circumnavigation in the 1980s.

     

    My boat has 516 square feet of sail on 4 and an half tons of displacement.  If over-canvassed, she will gently but firmly round-up before she sinks the gunwale: which is a good thing in a cruising boat.

     

    But still, still: sometimes we want to push things a bit further than that..... So I am going to fit a "pinrail" under the short tiller on my Hydrovane, to counteract (just when I feel like it) weather-helm on the main rudder. I am also going to experiment with linking with servo-pendulum-style lines the auxiliary rudder with the main rudder - which should make for a very powerful in-line twin-rudder system.

     

    In due course, I will report here as to how things work out ..... 

  • 27 Sep 2015 17:19
    Reply # 3548818 on 1493031

    I have a Hydrovane auxiliary-rudder self-steering gear on my boat (because servo-pendulum systems don't work so well with hydraulic steering systems).  I imagine the Hydrovane will work well on my boat, as long as she is carrying an appropriate amount of trimmed canvas: it worked well for the Canadian junk sloop Lorcha during her circumnavigation in the 1980s.

  • 26 Sep 2015 19:31
    Reply # 3547267 on 1493031
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    Hello every body! I have a junk rigged 34ft bronze centre-boarded, Allied Seabreeze ( a copy of the famous Finisterre) , schooner masted , flat Hasler sails. The boat sails a treat and I am at present in Spain after leaving  Falmouth and cruising South Britainy. I have a Hebridean Vane, one of two I built. The other is now in the Canaries after trips from UK to the Azores. My vane works extremely well but not yet tested in really bad conditions as I usually take over the helm in 35 knots and waves (I.e . tide races and overfalls in English channel!) causing havoc!! Running nervously I do not want a fan-up as boat and yard thrashes side to side. 

    My boat is easy to balance so no great challenge to the gear. The Hebridean steers very accurately and has done so out of the box with no fiddling or modifications. The designers plans and advice have to be followed rigidly - but amateur DIY people beware! There were teething problems with the other gear I built for a friend's boat because advice re balancing weights etc not followed.

     Incidentally the second vane took 6 days to build full time, the first about the same spread over three weeks. Lidl sells great drill presses cheaply!  As I have an older style boat with built- in weather helm, I moved the rope attachments closer to rudder so pull side to side of vane on tiller is more than designers 15 degrees. Had I not been aware of that design fact I would not have been so satisfied.  Know your own boat traits - when there is weather helm and its rudder angles. The gear is extremely powerful so will cope well steering less tractable  boats. I have not yet formally endorsed the gear as I have not trialled it in extreme conditions when life depends on "perfection". However a wind pilot Pacific plus I installed  on another boat was not perfect and I was on occasions I was again forced to hand steer. I will gradually build confidence in the Hebridean gear, expose it to harsher conditions and report back. 

  • 22 Sep 2015 09:30
    Reply # 3538025 on 3080360
    Richard Brooksby wrote:
    Richard Brooksby wrote:
    Annie Hill wrote:Sounds like I'm going to have to keep an eye out for this copy of PBO!

    It doesn't say much that you wouldn't learn from the web site about the Hebridean but it also has the article about junk rigs, so it's worth getting.

    There is now some interesting criticism and discussion of the PBO article on the Hebridean over at the YBW forums that reveals details of how it works.

    Mostly posting for the record, but I built a Hebridean wind vane for my Newbridge Coromandel Tammy Norie this summer, then cruised with it from the UK to the Netherlands, including a 32-hour solo passage and a North Sea crossing.  I've posted a lot of detail about the construction project and video about the trials.  Questions welcome!
  • 17 Mar 2015 15:38
    Reply # 3255472 on 1493031
    Deleted user

    In addition to the Dijkstra Chapter, the Jester Challenge site is now hosting two chapters  from John Letcher's Self-Steering for Sailing Craft:

    Natural Course Stability & Sheet to Tiller Steering
  • 03 Mar 2015 23:02
    Reply # 3241292 on 3237097
    Chris Gallienne wrote:

    Len Hiley has obtained the permission of Gerard Dijkstra to reproduce a chapter on sheet to tiller self-steering from his book "Self steering for Yachts" - it can be found here.

    That's a useful resource, Chris, especially for smaller, nicely-balanced boats.  You'd have to extrapolate, of course, for junk rig.
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  • 27 Feb 2015 17:58
    Reply # 3237097 on 1493031
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    Len Hiley has obtained the permission of Gerard Dijkstra to reproduce a chapter on sheet to tiller self-steering from his book "Self steering for Yachts" - it can be found here.

    Last modified: 27 Feb 2015 18:00 | Deleted user
  • 21 Aug 2014 09:48
    Reply # 3080360 on 3076544
    Richard Brooksby wrote:
    Annie Hill wrote:Sounds like I'm going to have to keep an eye out for this copy of PBO!

    It doesn't say much that you wouldn't learn from the web site about the Hebridean but it also has the article about junk rigs, so it's worth getting.

    There is now some interesting criticism and discussion of the PBO article on the Hebridean over at the YBW forums that reveals details of how it works.
  • 19 Aug 2014 12:58
    Reply # 3078050 on 1493031
    Deleted user

    Just to say that following my above post about linking a tiller pilot to a Hydrovane, this is what we did on Paradox prior to leaving the UK when our 1988 B & G autopilot failed. Bought a Simrad !32 which does the trick on our 39 foot boat, though not tested in rough stuff yet. The Hydrovane tiller pilot extension serves as an emergency tiller too.

  • 18 Aug 2014 15:29
    Reply # 3076544 on 3076341
    Annie Hill wrote:Sounds like I'm going to have to keep an eye out for this copy of PBO!

    It doesn't say much that you wouldn't learn from the web site about the Hebridean but it also has the article about junk rigs, so it's worth getting.
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