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  • 31 Mar 2015 00:42
    Reply # 3275138 on 3007678

    On Arion I just have the halyard, sheet, yard and throat hauling parrels led back to the cockpit.  The halyard and sheet tails are led to winches (the old bermudian rig sheet winches in this case) and the parrel tails are secured by rope clutches, which allow me to take the slack out of them with one hand while easing the halyard when reefing or furling. (This keeps the yard under control and helps my sail to stack better.)  The sheet is cast off during this process, with just one turn around the winch and I stop lowering the sail occasionally to take up some of the slack in the sheet.  At the last moment, when just the peak of the sail is left, I open the clutches, which allows the yard hauling parrel to slacken and  permits the yard to come all the way down.  The halyard and sheet are flaked into boxes and the parrels are coiled on cleats.  It is all very neat and does not cause any clutter in the cockpit once you have tidied the lines away.

  • 30 Mar 2015 18:41
    Reply # 3274750 on 3007678

    Halyard, Yard Hauling Parrel, Luff Hauling Parrel, are the essential ones. The topping lifts/lazyjacks can be brought back, but I've never found it necessary. If you want to lengthen them to lower the sail onto a gallows, this can be done at the mast. The mast lift is never brought back. 

  • 30 Mar 2015 15:26
    Reply # 3274458 on 3007678
    Deleted user

    Hi all

    Sewing machine is here, now I have to take care of ordering materials. Last weeks have been quite non productive boat related as I ran Roma Marathon a week ago. Now is time to carry on.


    In the same process as making a new sail, I am adjusting the lines from mast setup. Which are the ones I need to carry to the cockpit ? My guess is

    Halyard

    Yard hauling parrel

    lazy jacks (starboard and port)

    luff hauling parrel

    boom lift

    that is 6 lines.

    Am I correct ?


    Antoine (WaterBear)

  • 07 Mar 2015 12:07
    Reply # 3244224 on 3244200
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Antoine ALLAIN wrote:

    It is quite difficult to find if it will accept V92 polyester coated thread adn go through the webbing, though

     

    Antoine (WaterBear)


    I see that David Tyler suggest using V69 thread for Odyssey III. I guess most sewing machines will handle that. Also. I found the 50mm polyester seatbelt webbing easy to sew through, even several layers.

    Arne

  • 07 Mar 2015 10:02
    Reply # 3244200 on 3007678
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    It is quite difficult to find if it will accept V92 polyester coated thread adn go through the webbing, though


    Antoine (WaterBear)

  • 06 Mar 2015 02:02
    Reply # 3243372 on 3242728
    Antoine ALLAIN wrote:All good then ! I will order now. I plan to use odyssey for canvas (Indian Birch color will give a nice vintage look to the sail, I think). I will use use seatbelts for webbing. I found online in the US a lot of colored ones but it seems that in Europe we are limited to black grey and white. Too bad.

    Still looking for a sewing machine. I wonder if this one could do the job : toyota sewing machine.

    Antoine (WaterBear)


    I would have said this should be a very good machine, Antoine.  The fact that it can sew through many layers of denim, as is required when making jeans, means that it will have no problems at all sewing Odyssey.  Looks in great order, too.
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  • 05 Mar 2015 07:24
    Reply # 3242728 on 3241734
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    Arne Kverneland wrote:
    Antoine ALLAIN wrote:

    Hi everybody

    In order to make a new sail, I am looking for aluminium tubes as per Arne recommendation. It seems that in France it is quite impossible to get 6061 T6 aluminium tubes, or at very high prices (import from holland or UK). However, I managed to found affordable 6060 T6 tube in Ø50x2 and Ø35x2 mm. Do you think it will work for almost the same sail as Ingeborg ?

     

    By the way, work on the keel is going on, I reaped off the faulty polyester glass coating, and I let the whole thing dry. It seems that wood is ok under, so in a couple of weeks, I will simply make a new epoxy bonding and glass epoxy coating over the keel.

    Antoine (WaterBear)


    Antoine
    I wonder if I wrote 6061-T6 to you by mistake. I can find that alloy on the web, and it appears to be very strong, but I cannot find it locally.

    For battens I use 6060-T6 (yield strength 150MPa) as you describe.

    For the lower part of the mast I use 6082-T6 alloy (250MPa).

    Arne


    Hi Arne

    All good then ! I will order now. I plan to use odyssey for canvas (Indian Birch color will give a nice vintage look to the sail, I think). I will use use seatbelts for webbing. I found online in the US a lot of colored ones but it seems that in Europe we are limited to black grey and white. Too bad.

    Still looking for a sewing machine. I wonder if this one could do the job : toyota sewing machine.

    Antoine (WaterBear)


  • 04 Mar 2015 14:36
    Reply # 3241734 on 3241690
    Anonymous member (Administrator)
    Antoine ALLAIN wrote:

    Hi everybody

    In order to make a new sail, I am looking for aluminium tubes as per Arne recommendation. It seems that in France it is quite impossible to get 6061 T6 aluminium tubes, or at very high prices (import from holland or UK). However, I managed to found affordable 6060 T6 tube in Ø50x2 and Ø35x2 mm. Do you think it will work for almost the same sail as Ingeborg ?

     

    By the way, work on the keel is going on, I reaped off the faulty polyester glass coating, and I let the whole thing dry. It seems that wood is ok under, so in a couple of weeks, I will simply make a new epoxy bonding and glass epoxy coating over the keel.

    Antoine (WaterBear)


    Antoine
    I wonder if I wrote 6061-T6 to you by mistake. I can find that alloy on the web, and it appears to be very strong, but I cannot find it locally.

    For battens I use 6060-T6 (yield strength 150MPa) as you describe.

    For the lower part of the mast I use 6082-T6 alloy (250MPa).

    Arne

  • 04 Mar 2015 13:22
    Reply # 3241690 on 3007678
    Deleted user

    Hi everybody

    In order to make a new sail, I am looking for aluminium tubes as per Arne recommendation. It seems that in France it is quite impossible to get 6061 T6 aluminium tubes, or at very high prices (import from holland or UK). However, I managed to found affordable 6060 T6 tube in Ø50x2 and Ø35x2 mm. Do you think it will work for almost the same sail as Ingeborg ?


    By the way, work on the keel is going on, I reaped off the faulty polyester glass coating, and I let the whole thing dry. It seems that wood is ok under, so in a couple of weeks, I will simply make a new epoxy bonding and glass epoxy coating over the keel.

    Antoine (WaterBear)

  • 01 Feb 2015 18:11
    Reply # 3215261 on 3007678

    Hi Antoine

    That all makes perfect sense; the epoxy/glass sheathing is almost 35 years old, and some previous leaks may have contributed to detaching it from the plywood. I think the fact that she has been of of the water for quite a long time will also have created stresses between the sheathing and the ply with the wide range of temperatures she will have experienced. I think your plan is the best approach. Concerning the rudder, I doubt that an aerofoil shape will make much difference at very low speeds; the hull design has a surprisingly good direction 'tracking' ability i.e. it travels very strongly in a straight line. This is hugely beneficial in most circumstances. I doubt if any rudder will be effective at very low speed, whatever the shape or size - and if it's too big you will always travel at low speeds! The self steering was fitted by Alan Burns after my ownership, so I have no experience of its faults; it looked alarmingly chunky and crude to me. With respect to the cockpit locker, the problem is that the horrible big tiller that was fitted to the massively overbuilt rudder by Alan Burns has compromised the access; if you make the tiller hinge upwards that would help. Having said that, the aft locker is not a good place to store anything much in such a long, narrow, light boat and it has very limited capacity; the forward cockpit locker, accessed via the hatch in the bridge deck, is a much more useful place to put outboard, fenders etc. Concerning the hinged battens, I'm much of the same opinion as you; a cambered sail a la Kverneland would be a better and more seamanlike alternative. Water Bear had solid spruce battens when I owned her, with a slightly smaller sail area, and was a great boat to sail except in very light winds, where her high wetted-surface area created too much drag for the small sail. My best wishes for a successful outcome of your work!

    Gavin

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